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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In the 2016 census, the Irish population was recorded at 4.76 million. In 2025 the Irish population is roughly 5.31 million.

    In less than a decade the population has increased by 550,000 people.

    For a country of our size, that is an outrageous level of population increase in a relatively short period of time. With our woeful housing, hospital and general infrastructure it is an absolute scandal that this happened. It is galling to read anyone trying to diminish how disastrous this population increase has been for Ireland and it's citizens.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    If someone can enter a country, without documentation, without proof of where they have come from, without proof of their identity, then how in God's name is that not an open border?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭tom23




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    If condoms only stop 99% of sperm passing through, does this mean they aren't a contraceptive anymore? No it doesn't.

    There are 77 murders every year, does this mean we have a pro murder system? No it doesn't.

    People can't legally enter the country without documentation unless the claim asylum. Then their claims are processed and they are granted legal refugee status or are served with a deportation order. The enforcement of which is shite.

    No open borders. Slightly porous borders, at worst.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    How ironic is it that? Everything said in that post can be concluded as just a lazy dismissal of the views of others.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


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    Is it forbidden question claims when somebody says it's not open 'boarders'? However, almost everyone else on here has to back their claims up with links to facts, etc…

    The enforcement of some is good, of others it’s terrible.

    Do elaborate.

    Mod Edit: Warned for being a dick

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    It's crazy. Reading that reminds me of this video:

    (1) Immigration and World Poverty Explained with Gumballs - YouTube

    It a fools errand what the pro-migration lobby are doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Because the things you are speaking of there relate to the specific issue of seeking asylum. The vast majority of foreign people who cross our borders are tourists or working migrants entering via the visa system or from the EU. The relative numbers entering via the asylum procedure are comparatively low and have historically been relatively low here until the spike witnessed after the Ukraine war started and global travel restrictions were eased in 2022.

    What is clear is that the asylum process has flaws — some of which are difficult to eliminate — which allow some people to inappropriately use it to gain leave to remain in Ireland. As a country where asylum seeking has never really been a forefront issue, our system (or lack thereof) was exposed by a European war and it's been a scramble to get it right ever since.

    This is not indicative of an open borders policy though, when the vast majority of migrants here have not entered through the asylum process.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    If a condom will allow all of the sperm through if they claim asylum, then no, it is not contraceptive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    You might say that the issue is limited to people claiming asylum but the problem is literally anyone can claim asylum.

    It is like you have built a wall with a gap in it that people can come through. When criticised that you are letting people in without hindrance you say, "well, the gap is just a small part of it. The rest of the wall still stops people."

    But we also need to look at the visa system and our criteria for issuing them. Generally net inward migration needs to be reduced. If that is your point I agree with it.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    If you are genuinely seeking asylum, (i.e. seeking safety from persecution) then how the hell have you managed to travel to the furthest island on the west of Europe, presumably passing through many other safe havens, for any other reason other than to take advantage of a generous welfare system?



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    To be clear and transparent, I have no issue with immigration. I have an issue with illegal immigration and exploitation of asylum loopholes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Well I'm not quite sure who is "diminishing" it but from spending a good bit of time reading posts on this thread, I have to say I find the concern about population growth to be a little confused. That's because one day a popular post on here will decry the dangers of population growth, while similarly popular posts will claim that we need to entice Irish people away from emigration, encourage our young people home, and encourage young Irish couples to have more children — all of which would be population boosters.

    So it's hard to evade the suspicion sometimes on here that it's not really population growth in itself that people are concerned about — but quite simply the growth of the foreign born population.

    Even at that, if we directly swapped our foreign born population for the pretty large Irish-born population living abroad, many of our systemic problems would remain — which aligns with the fact that we had these problems (housing especially) long before the influx of asylum seekers from 2022 onwards. And it could well be even worse — given that migrants are statistically less likely to be homeowners in Ireland, and our returning population would be prospective first time buyers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    I think the mistake you are making, however, is treating this forum as if it is one person and expecting consistency. There's a huge variety of views on here.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    No that's fair enough — but to be fair — I'm not sure there are many on here who will say that we shouldn't be trying to retain / encourage back young people, or encourage young couples in this country to have children earlier in life. The concern about population growth seems to only be raised here in the context of migration — and as I often say on this thread, many of the more systemic issues (such as housing) in Ireland right now are discussed in the immigration threads. For a forum which seems so concerned about population, housing, the decline of Irish regional towns etc, you don't tend to see specific threads on these things — they are discussed here on the immigration thread, which seems to indicate that it's the migrant factor itself that concerns people.

    Just an opinion based on having written on this thread for quite some time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Well, I'd disagree with you on the basis that if asylum was such an easy option then it would be the primary way for migrants to enter Ireland. The truth is that seeking asylum is a relatively uncomfortable process compared to the much more comfortable ways most of us have the privilege of entering other countries — i.e. as tourists and workers on visas (or visa exempt). Claiming asylum means having to go through a process and losing some degree of liberty in terms of your control over where you go.

    What I do accept is that for people in particular countries where some form of more compelling case for asylum can be made (i.e. it's easier to make a compelling case for asylum if you're an Afghan than a Canadian), asylum seeking remains an attractive option in circumstances where it's your only realistic option if making it to the developed world and its a system which can definitely be exploited.

    I agree that it would be better if net inward migration was reduced, I just wouldn't as alarmist about it as some on here are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I pray to god neither Soc Dems nor Labour ever get into government. These people have broken immigration laws and have long overstayed their welcome, yet Gannon appears to think they should just be free to roam the streets. I don't know is he just niave or a fool. Or maybe both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,008 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    God I never hated a party as much as I hate those fanatics SD

    Open borders Gannon would love to put these people into 5 star hotels



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,456 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Listening to Gannon is "performative cruelty".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Fair enough — if you don't want to engage sincerely and respectfully with other opinions, that's up to you. I guess it just makes it seem that you aren't up for robust debate, but rather a few slaps on the back from people who think this kind of comment is sound out.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The initial claim was we have open borders. So the onus is on the initial claimant to back that up. Not ask me to prove a negative.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Everyone who claims asylum isn’t allowed stay. Ergo, no open borders.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I’m more and more convinced this is satire.

    The social democrats, the most milquetoast of socialists are now “fanatics”. Were you the one to call Harris a Marxist as well?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    A yearly increase of 130,000 people roughly equates to the combined population of the 2 centres that I am most familiar with, Limerick City and Ennis. The increased number of houses, the enhanced medical and education services such an annual increase demands is impossible for any government to provide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It is .

    The CSO numbers which take account of migration are half those numbers

    Ukrainians were accounted for year before up to April 23,/ 24 and now much reduced.

    You cannot say that numbers have increased from year to year if you don't use the same statistics/ start and finish date .

    Of course one prefers the iffy stats to the CSO as long as they align with one's thinking .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Not to mention that the term Open Borders is a MAGA construct and like most imported terms from America and Trump does not apply to Europe, which has free travel within the EU .

    But people repeat what they hear and read every day .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I said Harris was a Marxist, and it's factually correct. Notwithstanding the ludicrous levels of personal taxation that we're subject to, we have an immigration system that's simply not based on the needs of the country or the merit of an individual.



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