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Gerry Adams Wins Defamation Case

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭khamilton


    Defamation cases always look at someone's reputation what the allegedly defamatory statement was made. You also ignored the rest of my post debunking your other points. I strongly advise not commenting on the law when it's clear you don't know anything about the law you're commenting on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,389 ✭✭✭Patrick2010




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,389 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Nothing plucky about planting bombs in pubs targeting ordinary civilians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,881 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Indeed- John Hume and the SDLP took a much braver route than Adam’s did - Adam’s can fck right off if he thinks he has a “reputation” - his name is dog sh01te as far as I’m concerned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Based on their modus operandi in such cases chances are that Donaldson was neutralised by his handlers in MI5 as he went public and no doubt had more beans to spill.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭monseiur


    John Hume to be fair to him was a decent hard working politician - but sadly wasters like Gerry Fitt and Seamus Mallon who were just mouth pieces for british anti Nationalist/Republican propaganda in the North ensured that the SDLP had no future.

    The electorate in the North (just like the South) are a complex, educated and a discretionary lot and once the fog of war cleared they gave their judgement at the ballot box.

    Had the SDLP stood with their people in their hour of need they may very well be in power in Stormont today instead of being left spouting on the back benches with a paltry 8 seats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,007 ✭✭✭Feisar


    We can complain about the IRA's tactics however the British cannot.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭batman75


    Just watched a program on the fallout from the Boston Tapes. In it their is footage of Gerry Adams where he accuses those who were interviewed and both Ed Moloney and Anthony McIntyre of being against the peace process. He claims Brendan Hughes lied about Adams being the one who made the order to disappear Jean McConville.

    The problem for Adams is when he denies being in the IRA it diminishes his credibility on any other subject matter when it comes to whether he is telling the truth or not. More sinister was the insinuation from SF that both Dolours Price and Brendan Hughes weren't "well" a handy ruse to ridicule their critique of SF and Adams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Strange that the handlers in MI5 didn't do the same to Martin McGuinness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,482 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    He wasn't exposed as an agent, though (not saying he was one).

    I read somewhere that the killer(s) were from South Armagh. Apparently, Donaldson was sent to Newry to work for SF there. Who knows how close he got to them during that time. They used to pride themselves on never having been penetrated, apparently.

    Not your ornery onager



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Releasing such info to the media as and when it suits is part of the dirty work of MI5, MI6 etc. to cover their own tracks - just like the Dublin & Monaghan bombing which they carried out using loyalists terrorists to drive the bomb loaded cars to their locations, chances are the whole truth will never be made public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    BBC NI have come out with their hands up:

    "The BBC has confirmed to Gerry Adams’ solicitors that it will not appeal the €100,000 damages awarded in the defamation case against him. In a statement,Johnsons said“ The BBC have confirmed that they will not appeal the verdict. We are delighted with this outcome which provides a full vindication of our client. Mr Adams has confirmed his intention to donate the damages award to his nominated charitable causes.”

    Yet another epic victory for Nelson Mandela's best pal and probably the World's Greatest Peacemaker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,760 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Continuing discussion of just what is going on in the BBC.

    FÉILE: BBC under the spotlight in wake of devastating Gerry Adams libel verdict



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,073 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Gerry Adams was 'Never' in the IRA… apparently..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,760 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It seems the 'get Gerry' mentality is still stopping people from looking at the wider picture and the inherent dangers.
    I personally couldn't care less if Gerry was in the IRA or not, not one wit of difference would it have made IMO.

    What is more concerning is the ramifications of this and other cases of a national broadcasters independence particularly it's independence in matters concerning Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    When Adams talks about "the wider picture", the problem for Adams as someone else said, is when he denies being in the IRA it diminishes his credibility on any other subject matter when it comes to whether he is telling the truth or not.

    Still, the behaviour of the judge in what he allowed / did not allow, and the jury result on Adams versus the BBC in a Dublin court was useful in that it shows the N.I. unionists they could never expect fair courts in a U.I.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,760 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Gerry has retired. Whether he has credibility or not is no longer much odds.

    The issue is the independence of the BBC.
    Nobody is concerned about the fairness of the court or impartiality of the jury.

    You are like a sore loser at a football match blaming the officials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    The only reason you think the credibility of Gerry Adams, the previous president of sinn fein and who led it for many decades, is not important is because you realise he has no credibility with most people.

    And yes, people outside the 26 counties clearly saw the behaviour of the judge in what he allowed / did not allow, and the jury result on Adams versus the BBC in a Dublin court which showed the N.I. unionists they could never expect fair courts in a U.I.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,760 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don’t care what others think of him tbh. Why would I?

    So has anyone with some credibility ity pointed out what the judge did wrong?

    Plenty of people seem to think the BBC did wrong including the BBC who didn’t appeal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    The BBC had indicated potential grounds for appeal, including the jury's questioning format, the exclusion of certain witnesses, and the damages amount given the programme's circulation and Adams' reputation.  But knew it could'nt get a fair trial in a Dublin court ( that is why Adams sued there) and anyway €100,000 is a tiny amount of money and it had wasted enough time / had more important things to be doing.

    You don't care about the credibility of Adams, says you? Incredible. Do you not think he even cares about his own credibility so? Do you care about the credibility of Mary Lou McD, the only other leader of SF since the early seventies?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,760 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The BBC had indicated potential grounds for appeal,

    And they didn't appeal. So not much potential there.

    But knew it could'nt get a fair trial in a Dublin court 

    You made this up.

    that is why Adams sued there) and anyway €100,000 is a tiny amount of money and it had wasted enough time / had more important things to be doing.

    BBC had to pay it's own costs, Adams costs and the damages. Somwhere in the ballpark of 3-4 million. It was never about the damages as they have been donated to good causes.

    I said I don't care what you think of Adam's credibility or Mary Lou's. As I am sure others don't care what I think of other party leaders credibility.
    In this case the jury decided Adams case had the better credibility.

    Why you are allowed to defame the jury and court with absolutely no grounds whatsoever other than being a sore loser is bizarre.

    The people who would know about how the BBC functions and who have grounds to base opinions on are the people who were around that discussion I posted the details of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The only thing to take from this defamation case is that the law on defamation in Ireland needs drastic change.

    Gerry Adams took this case here because it is the only jurisdiction in which he could win.

    Let us be clear about one thing - Gerry Adams was a leader of the PIRA for decades and directed killings. He has never sued about all that stuff, the only thing he sued about was the Donaldson killing.

    The outcome of the case is that it cannot be said that Gerry Adams ordered the Donaldson killing, everything else that has been said about him remains unchallenged.

    This is why the judge's instructions were so disgraceful, requiring the jury to only look at his recent reputation. They weren't allowed consider the facts that Gerry Adams has never sued the McConville family who claimed he ordered the killing of their mother, one example of many where he hasn't sued.

    But Gerry Adams aside, this case outcome is a bigger problem, because of the chilling effect on journalism. We know that MLMD and the rest of the SF leadership have numerous cases before the courts, trying to restrict reporting and journalism. This case only helps and assists their SLAPPS approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,760 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I, for one, am glad to live in a democracy that does not allow you to say whatever you like.
    Just because other societies do it differently doesn’t make them ‘better’.
    Our neighbours media establishment is frequently an out of control mess, routinely trampling over rights. No thank you to that regime.

    But castigate the Irish system is the order of the day. Sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,796 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    he did too - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg50n078lpqo

    the old 'Was Adams 'in' the IRA' question keeps appearing. Anyone with even a tiny bit of a brain could conclude Adams acted as an IRA volunteer, but he never swore the oath - which meant that he could not be arrested for being a member of a proscribed organisation (which was a great way of locking up random catholics without much proof). The reason why it requires the use of the brain is because he has been arrested numerous times and they couldn't get the evidence to prove anything - therefore you can be certain a lot of care was taken to make sure they wouldn't by keeping him away from the dirty end. Very much a technicality either way if you ask me. It was a bit of an essential requirement to keep their long term strategy lad out of prison.

    Much the same way they had to use subterfuge to bring the majority of the republican movement along with the peace process - again common sense. Pissed off people like Brendan Hughes mind you and it did prolong things, but if they hadnt done it the peace process wouldnt have happened.

    Rarely visit this forum anymore because the same lads come out with the same rubbish, as though the world is some kind of story book where everyone is a saint. The lads on here who understand what was going on, lived through it. the lads who waffle and pontificate, didnt. Apart from downcow, who to be fair is just being an honest loyalist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,796 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    you do understand Adams is from Belfast, and your pronunciation gag is based on McGuinness's Strabane/Derry accent?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    The BBC have shown anti Irish sentiments, once they removed and apologised for showing a 'GAA' jersey on EastEnders because of complaints by unionists. It turns out it was a school PE uniform made by O'Neill's sportswear. This same company makes jerseys for some rugby clubs in England.

    This situation was bizarre given how the same broadcaster air GAA games. I always remind people of this story any chance I get.

    This story reminds me of the time when unionists removed the Scots Gaelic road signs in Belfast.



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