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Towing a caravan with a PHEV

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,041 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    No idea on towing abilities,

    2021 passat 1.4 phev has 215 bhp and 1650kg kerb weight,

    2018 530e has 249 bhp nearly 1800 kerb weight,

    add your caravan are you not getting close to 3500 kg limit for your driving license?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,118 ✭✭✭blackbox


    I don't think the OP stated which category of licence he/she holds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,296 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Most modern caravans come with brakes and depending on the model of the car, this can increase the towing capacity
     BYD U seal AWD version has a braked towing capacity of 1500 but the RWD version can only tow 750kg

    https://dt16c8g6jis9k.cloudfront.net/byd/seal/2025/towing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭notAMember


    That's the one I was going to recommend. Volvo xc60.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,862 ✭✭✭FortuneChip


    VW Tayron PHEV can supposedly do 2,500kg.

    Close to 60k though



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,346 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    the 750 kg limit seems to be a licence restriction.

    anything over 750 KG or 3500kg (including trailer ) requires a class BE licence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,696 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    It's not a license restriction per se. You can tow a trailer over 750kg on a B license if the total weight (car and trailer) is less than 3500kg.

    But a trailer > 750kg MUST be braked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    So a lot to consider then! 😅

    Thanks for all the input. Haven't bought the car or the caravan yet as the decision on one will inform the other and yes I ideally was aiming to avoid the licence application.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,696 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    If I was to synopsise it for you.

    On a B licence, you can tow a caravan > 750kg if the caravan is braked and your total weight is < 3500kg.

    Most cars capable of towing are around the 2000kg mark, which means you could easily tow a caravan (braked) of 1000kg or more.

    Post edited by prawnsambo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Butson


    Have an Outlander PHEV (2 litre petrol / hybrid)

    Never an issue towing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,525 ✭✭✭MarkN


    Tayron is 1800kg PHEV, 2,000kg FWD TDI and 2,500kg 4Motion. 4Motion not available in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭Madd002


    We have a single axle 4/5 Berth pulled by an arteon no issues unless it's open carriageway and it sometimes creates a pull.

    last trip was 2hrs up and back and we costed it as €94 for full tank & had half tank left when we back home so €27 each way,

    going to get a towbar fitted on puegot partner as the taller vehicle creates a better wind breaker so there's not as much pull on the car especially in the windy west.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    Thanks for that, I had my eye on the Arteon as its a handsome car in the estate. How much did it cost to get a tow bar fitted on one do you mind me asking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭Madd002


    Nearly sure it was 550 on special order and 250 for fitting it, it took all day whole back end of car had to be removed as its a detachable one.

    Arteon nice to look at great power n loads of space but if you've tall passengers they too tall for slope of roof in back.They do have to bend their head forward. i just dont find it comfortable, So go for a test drive

    Only copped it bringing 3 tall teenage lads from disco 🤣

    I prefer saloon car but they stopped making passats which is what I drove for 20 odd yrs.

    Have looked at Tayron but afraid to buy new with no info on them, like to buy a 2/3yr old.

    In US & Dubai they have the Atlas bigger than Tayron but not made for European market. Read today over 170k recalled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭maidhc


    I have a RaV4 PHEV, yes it can tow 1.5t, but I’m not convinced it’s a good idea to use a PHEV for towing at all… there is a lot going on with the drive train, and maybe not with a caravan, the chances of overloading a flatbed or cattle/horse box is high.

    I echo the views above that a diesel is the only show in town for a tow car; and it probably should be a Landcruiser.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,894 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Have any of you that say "just buy a diesel" ever actually towed with a PHEV?????.

    "Probably should be a Landcruiser"

    Unless you are towing the 1 tonne caravan everyday of the week - it's overkill no?????.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,894 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Rav4 PHEV towcar test

    https://youtu.be/m_heLTEE3WQ?si=ExNw8Tv9cZIwQA4B



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,894 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Arteon PHEV towcar test

    https://www.practicalcaravan.com/reviews/volkswagen-arteon-shooting-brake



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,362 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Just to add to this many EVs can tow. You will be limited to 80km/h by law so range will be relatively good compared to 120km/H without caravan comparing efficiency of both. Still looking at stopping every 200km or so for 40 minutes unless you can charge at destination.

    Main roads between cities tend to have good charging infrastructure with a few designed for pull in spaces. If charging port is in front of car it will be easier or possibly park sideways blocking multiple bays.

    If you intend going on very rural routes such as wild Atlantic way multiple camping sites you may need to plan stops or park somewhere inconvenient during the day or unhitch caravan and move car to nearby town to charge. Very few campsites have specific EV chargers. While EVs can in theory charge from blue power sockets at campsites many sites have tiny restrictions before the breakers trip. Many have 5 amp breakers so even electric kettles trip them. So cookers, space heating all need to be gas bottle powered. Part of the reason for this is at peak times caravan sites may have hundreds of caravans and total power draw could mean massive upgrades to site power. Also normally the electricity fee is a fixed price and they don't want people running electric heaters all night. They may allow you to plug your car in the main building on an ordinary household outlet but this can take 24/36/48 hours to fill up EV from empty.

    As EVs are a bit heavier it's most likely you will hit the 3500kG total weight of car+ caravan limit where you need to sit a special trailer test. The test it a bit if a pain, theory test, provisional trailer licence, lessons, driving test, so avoid if you can.

    Post edited by zg3409 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 LowPowerMode


    Just on the last bit - there is a higher 4250kg limit for EVs

    https://www.rsa.ie/services/learner-drivers/types-of-licences

    I have an EV with tow-bar (just for bike-rack so far) but had looked at the limits at the time - found it hard to find the details again now so posting the link incase its useful for anybody

    "Alternatively fuelled vehicles with a MAM exceeding 3,500 kg. but not exceeding 4,250 kg. for the transport of goods operating without a trailer by holders of a category B driving licence which was issued at least two years before, provided that the mass in excess of 3,500 kg. is due exclusively to the excess of mass of the propulsion system in relation to the propulsion system of a vehicle of the same dimensions, which is equipped with a conventional internal combustion engine with positive ignition or compression ignition, and provided that the cargo capacity is not increased in relation to the same vehicle."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    In an ideal world I would love an EV but even the idea of trying to get into charging bays pulling a caravan is already shredding my nerves. Plus, as you say, it requires a lot of logistics and forward planning which have never been my strong point!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭maidhc


    The PHEV will tow fine, but I’d worry about the long term reliability of doing it. Put it this way, I have PHEV and a Landcruiser, and only one has a towbar!

    Only good thing about towing a caravan with a BEV is that you will have space for a 8kva generator to make up for the dire range!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,227 ✭✭✭User1998


    I can’t see why a PHEV would be any less reliable than a diesel when towing. The engine will just have to start up more, or constantly. Similar to driving up a hill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    I took it as a reference to the tow bar. Hardly any PHEVs come with tow bars which means you have to get one added and maybe a bolted on tow bar isn't as reliable as a factory fitted one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,227 ✭✭✭User1998


    I’m pretty sure they were talking about the mechanicals of the car. I imagine most towbars out there are aftermarket. Nothing wrong with them.



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