Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

This is an opinion piece from Haaretz. Hits the nail on the head and correctly, in my opinion, categorises alleged War Criminal #1 (at large) for what he done.

"It boggles the mind that after 600 days, the same terrorist organization still controls Gaza, and the same government still controls Israel.

All the achievements Netanyahu boasts about belong to the army, the Shin Bet security service and the Mossad.

The huge strategic failure belongs to only one person"

Yossi Verter

The large numbers of deaths and injuries would seem to mitigate against this being Hamas or some local militia. To shoot 30 people dead in the wide open air and leave 200 injured with gunshot wounds would surely require a considerable number of gunmen firing at the same time and probably from different directions.

Good article from RTE Clarity on the aid situation in Gaza. This clears up recent mistaken posts, including ones suggesting Palestinians have "forgotten how to make bread"

Israeli authorities have banned most other items, including fuel, cooking gas, shelter and hygiene products. They also imposed the condition that we could only deliver flour to bakeries and not directly to families. This required people to face large crowds to collect bread from a limited number of bakeries daily.

Seems the posts also claiming there is no famine in Gaza are well wide of the mark. Though perhaps, they only follow the COGAT news feed:

COGAT, however, says "there is no famine in Gaza," adding that the phrase "facing famine" is misleading.

Try telling that to the 7 month old child that weighs the same as a newborn.

You have some despicable **** on here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/wyLB5eqiFI

Here's hoping I meet ye some time.

Really

So, Hamas has rejected the latest ceasefire plan. That’s not what I’d expect from a group that has been defeated, or thoroughly defeated, as some here have claimed. These people are either delusional, believing they’re still in a strong enough position to negotiate, or they’re determined to see Gaza destroyed.

Classy behaviour from supporters of Palestine, indeed. Their vulgarity, lack of class, and basic manners, as I pointed out on this forum last week, never cease to amaze me. I've encountered some of them in public, and without exception, they’ve been the same: bold and aggressive in groups, shouting things like 'Let's bomb Tel Aviv' and hissing, yet timid when confronted one-on-one. That is the very definition of a bully.

I agree, and I’ve always advocated for the right of the people of Gaza to determine their own future at the ballot box. Given their historic lack of faith in the PA, we could well see 'Hamas 2.0'. But that’s democracy, we have to accept the will of the people. The concern is that a new iteration of Hamas, bolstered by the support it has gained in the West, both financial and otherwise, could easily lead us down the same troubling path once again. Be in no doubt that whenever anything goes wrong in Gaza or Palestine after the war, it will somehow be Israel's fault.

One of the main reasons Hamas have refused the current 'deal' is that Netanyahu and his cabinet want a clause inserted saying they have the option to recommence the fighting at any moment i.e. it would be little more than a temporary ceasefire and with no guarantee of peace whatsoever.

More details coming in about the murder of civilians yesterday (from a British surgeon). Sounds more like tank fire than small arms.

More than 30 Palestinians were killed and dozens more injured in southern Gaza near a humanitarian aid distribution site run by a US company, according to local health officials. Witnesses said the Israeli military had opened fire as Palestinians gathered to collect food in Rafah.

Dr Rose said that there had been a huge number of children coming in with significant, disfiguring and life-changing injuries. She said children make up at least 50% of the operating list.

"Essentially these children have been blown up and are missing bits of their body...it's quite upsetting," she said. She added that due to a loss of fat and muscle bulk in their body, they are smaller and thinner, with malnutrition affecting the immune system and healing.

That you say this:

I’ve been focused on two things from the beginning. First, the survival and security of Israel

is enough for me to ignore whatever it is you're attempting to say.

Please do continue to post your "gold standard" discourses that justify war crimes and genocide that your "team" is perpetrating.

I agree with you on Hamas — they know they’re screwed either way once this war ends. I’m not a religious person myself, but if there is a God, I hope he works some magic on election day and the people of Gaza choose a democratic alternative.

As for Hamas, they should accept the ceasefire on the table and use that pause to negotiate a safe exit. Qatar or Turkey would probably take them. That said, when push comes to shove, I’m not so sure how comfortable the 'Free Palestine' brigade would be with Hamas relocating to Europe.

Nobody hear cheerleading for Hamas @taratee

Hamas has the option to save lives, and they’re choosing not to.

So does Israel, who you are cheerleading for

If acknowledging Israel’s right to exist is enough for you to ignore everything else I’ve said, including my call for democratic reform in Gaza and an end to Hamas rule, then you’re not interested in dialogue, just dehumanising anyone who disagrees with you. I’ve condemned extremism and violence on both sides, but I won’t apologise for advocating peace, security, and accountability for all civilians caught in this war.

Bibi and his chums, as you well know from the last ceasefire , are not interested in better terms. Also while Hamas should agree to a ceasefire the delivery of Aid should not be contingent on it. Just out of curiosity do you have any friends in Israel who disagree with your views on what's happening in Gaza? If this is too personal a question I understand you ignoring it.

Would it be odd that people who think Palestinians should have their own country could also be uncomfortable with Hamas settling in Europe? Are both things linked?

I don't think you have any idea idea what a ceasefire is .

Thats some post.

First you open with a very condescending statment of how you'll be gold standard but the rest of us are beneth you.

Then you bang on about speech, yes this is the top ranking issue with Israeli genocide, hate speech, lord save us.

Your point on hamas rejection of ceasefire, thats a lie. Hamas agreed to a ceasefire, irsael broke it. Israel tabled a new ceasefire with the provision if they want to restart the genocide they could, hamas didn't agree to that, and rightly so. If israel can break a ceasefire, they will again.

Your next paragraph re: primary concern & responsibilty. Im glad you brought this up, brcause only israel are responsible for the genocide, the death, injury, displacement of tens of thousands of innocent people. Its only israel that is robbing land and flattening towns. Its only israel that is responsible for that.

Finally, if israel wans peace can i suggest the consider the following.

Immediately remove themselves from all palestinian lands, going back to when the state of israel was created. Second pay the billions required to rebuild palestine. Third recognise the state of palestine and work with palestine authorities to form a democratic single state with the removal of hamas. Rather than their past funding of hamas.

Now being a gold star poster, you'll reply to the points made and not ignore so many that shows israel for what it is. A terrorist, genocidal, holocaust 11.