The 2025 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

Costello in particular. He has god knows how many all irelands riding on the coattails of some really fine players. Can't ever remember him doing it when the chips were down .

They have plenty of run-of-mill players too that don't stand out. Likes of McGinnis and O'Dell far removed from the lads who were winning multiple AIs

Just back from it and I didnt think it was great. How many times did the ref stop the play, and run up and Armagh are awarded a free right in front of the goals - I'm sure Dublin were breaking the rules somewhere, probably the three forwards, but it really broke up the flow of the game.

TBH, old rules or new rules, Dublin were just poor - though notably they had way more possession. Their shooting was poor and in second part of first half, Cluxtons kickouts were nearly all going to Armagh men.

Also, notably - given that Cluxton was known in the past as an innovator and someone who changed the game - the fact that he never leaves his goal-line is now probably a disadvantage. Armagh keeper made a lot of hay today running forward and the likes of Beggan or Niall Morgan do similar. Another point - the fact that Cluxton didnt play all winter, that must be an issue when you have a changing squad and players who havent played on the same team as him before.

Either way, the winning of this game today was (i) a series of kickouts from Dublin every one of which went to armagh, and (ii) brutal shooting - surely Cluxton could take a two pointer better than some of those lads.

One other thing - so-called home advantage, more Armagh fans than Dubs today…..

Even the more heralded new lads (not that O'Dell is new) like POCB after his Cuala exploits are being shown as limited enough at this level.

Yeah I am getting 01-07 vibes off them, when they had more average players by their standards than bone fide stars.

Con, Howard and Kilkenny (who is no spring chicken) are probably their only three 'walk onto any other team in the country' players.

Credit to Armagh, better team, and their style kept Dublin alive (Armagh will beat you but will seldom push on and hammer you for the sake of it).

A shocking, illdiscliplined performance from Dublin though, both brainless and heartless. Decision making on the ball was awful, no pattern to the play and shooting crazy for two pointers when they weren't on. Add in the 3 points given away for the 3v3 breaches: one of them is forgivable, but 3 in 10 minutes shows a lack of care, concentration and discipline. It reflects poorly on the whole set up, from Dessie down.

Exactly, I ended up roaring “Stop playing old rules stuff” a few times in exasperation.

In any GAA tournament with grading like the football league or the Munster hurling championships the stats show home advantage makes a difference.

In terms of being a fixture in the starting 15 he's absolutely a new boy. Been around and on and off the wider panel for years but Cuala's success has unquestionably given him the push that he increasingly looks like not being deserving of.

Doesn't help that in McGinnis he had a midfield partner with apparently even less football in him.

As someone with little love for dublin footballers some being very harsh on them. Costello got 4 or 5 from play and was always showing. They also did very well on the arnagh kick out. If they had scored 3 or 4 of them wides would have been very little in it.

Hard to know with armagh. Felt like they were in 3rd gear and played within themselves