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Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭50HX


    Very simple

    One is where all players will know certain opposition players will test the limit of the laws to the max & they will generally shake hands after & a mutual respect is acknowledged between them

    The other is just being a cnut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,541 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I specifically used the word "if" and you choose to ignore that to make some ridiculous post about something that wasn't being discussed.

    There was no law change being proposed.

    maybe read my posts before responding



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,341 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Self respect.

    I'll put in illegal tackles and argue an offside I know I'm in the wrong for.

    But booing or "trash talking" I wouldn't do and I certainly wouldn't be falling around the place to put off another kicker.

    I know I'm a cheat but I also know I'm not a little b1tch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Paddy_Mag


    "Seeing it live, I'm in no doubt that the cramp was play acting and if the laws stated for the kick to be deemed successful the kicker must retreat 10m from the spot, he'd have managed that without cramping."

    Given that the law doesn't state a player has to retreat 10m for the kick to be deemed successful, it would require a law change for what you proposed to be enforced.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,253 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    He's not proposing anything, do you know what the word "if" means!??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Paddy_Mag


    What he is proposing would require a law change though. "If" the law was different. Meaning it needs to be changed otherwise what is his/her actual point about the 10m? Is it just sour grapes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,541 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Meanwhile, back to something that everyone will agree with.

    Crowley with his third in 3 games cross field kick to a player to score a try. Tonight's one was probably a tad more difficult as the pass to him was a bit off.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,201 ✭✭✭fitz


    Pretty sure they were stretching out his right leg, so...wouldn't be taking that picture as proof of anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    "test the limits of the laws"

    So in other words, cheat.

    This spirit of the game guff is a load of nonsense. Cheating isn't in the spirit of any game but yet it's perfectly fine, and winking is taking it too far.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,253 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    They're is no proposal in the statement:

    if the laws stated for the kick to be deemed successful the kicker must retreat 10m from the spot, he'd have managed that without cramping

    It's a supposition.

    He's making the point that there was a choice involved in the act to go down then, there and to stay down for that length of time.

    Plenty of people have gotten calf cramp and hobbled to the side of a pitch to deal with it



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    Struggling with comprehension here pal, 'if' the player had to retreat 10m after the kick he would have done so, because he was not hurt. Just putting emphasis on the first part which is that it was play acting.

    Clearly play acting, trying to ice Crowley, I don't think anyone really wants a ban but the ref should be stronger on it, still made no difference to the outcome, just shouldn't happen in a game played in this spirit. I don't really understand how you can argue with any of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,541 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Well for one, it's during a penalty kick, sledging during a penalty kick is as rare as hens teeth.

    Most of the sledging in rugby is during normal play or maybe after a score.

    In Ireland, it's widely accepted that fans and players to give total silence to place kickers but we shower verbals to a player under a high ball. It's not unusual for one thing to be acceptable while something else might be classed as unacceptable, others might see them as being similar but most people see a difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,296 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    This is, frankly, a load of bollox.

    There’s a very obvious a difference between, say, a player mistiming a tackle, which might well be a penalty just outside the laws of the game, but couldn’t remotely be described as cheating.

    There’s an obvious difference between that and what Hendrickse did.

    But you know this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    A player mistiming a tackle? What on Earth are you talking about?

    I haven’t mentioned mistiming tackling once. I’m talking about those ‘dark arts’, that everyone loves so much. Getting away with cheating at the breakdown, subtle cutting off of a chaser’s line. Things that break the laws of the game but we love our players for doing it.

    Do not talk about mistiming tackles. That isn’t what is being talked about here and you are deliberately misrepresenting me.

    Since when is mistiming a tackle considered ‘dark arts’? An utterly bonkers post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    The difference most of the time is when your own players or fans do it versus the opposition. Most will lack self-awareness and vehemently deny this, usually pointing to red lines that they completely made up in their own heads.

    They say with pride 'I'd never boo a kick' and take similar pride in making it a hostile atmosphere by screaming at a player under a high ball or when a player is throwing into a lineout. Where outside people's own heads is it written that one ok and the other is not?

    They'll moan about opposition players pressure the ref and ignore when their players do it. The ref will of course deserve it when their player's do it.

    Looking at today, I haven't seen anyone who has complained about the 'cramp' before Crowley's second kick raising the pure coincidence that a Munster player just happened to need treatment over and over again right before scrums today - where they were struggling badly. Adams appeared pretty consistent in how he treated these 'injuries' for both sides.

    The 'gamesmanship' of one's own player is the 'cnut' to the opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,296 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    And again this is nonsense because there are very obvious differences; take someone with his hands on the deck at ruck-time. 1) he may have just slightly mistimed his entry and 2) the opposition can react. They have the opportunity to just blow him off the ball.

    Ultimately they tend to be way more dynamic situations that are open to refereee interpretation. This was nothing like that. But again, you know all this.

    There isn’t a single Munster fan I know who’d be happy with a Munster player doing what Hendrickse did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,296 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    You’re really coming into the Munster thread to preach about a “lack of self awareness”?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,296 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Result still stings but there’s a tonne of positives we can take from that game.

    We showed serious grit and determination to hang in for as long as we did. Kilgallen and Nash look like a brilliant wing combination.

    Casey has become ridiculously good. Genuinely think he could be pushing JGP next season on this form.

    Kleyn and Beirne both put in excellent shifts and seem a brilliantly complementary pairing.

    MacMillan has a core of young players to play with. It’ll be interesting to see what he does at FB. Haley is still quality in the air but seems to have lost some pace for counter attacking. Abrahams has all the pace but seems to lack distance on his exits and is hit and miss in the air owing to his size. I think there’s a chance BOC could stake a claim.

    You’d feel next season is a massive one for someone like Tom Ahern to push on.

    We went out on our shields but there are real reasons to be positive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,387 ✭✭✭budhabob


    Interesting preach.

    If a Munster player had behaved / acted like that I would be furious to be honest, more so than I am for the sharks players.

    Ultimately it was irrelevant to the outcome, but a disappointing approach to what is generally a respectful game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,541 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Hodnet had a horse of a game last night, his work rate in attack & defence was immense. Coombes too, at one stage Scannell made a break, Sharks tried taking Coombes out by holding his legs at the previous ruck, Coombes saw Scannell go to ground and knew it would be a turnover and just dragged himself free to make the ruck to protect the ball.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,387 ✭✭✭budhabob


    The work rate by every player was immense last night, Scannell and Milne especially having to come back on and continued to jump off the floor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,296 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I remember thinking the same, phog. He absolutely melted that ruck as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,541 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Yes, losing our reserve prop & hooker to injuries forced the lads back on and then they had to play the ET. Huge ask.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 873 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    There is obviously difference of opinions here and all over online with the cramp/faking cramp thing but that performance and willingness to stay in it is an excellent sign for you fellas. Obviously POM will be a big loss for you but there are good signs looking at next season.

    The backline is excellent when all fit, Crowley can blow hot and cold and kicking is iffy but in the second half of the season he’s had more good games than average, when he fires I think that is one of the best backlines in Europe after probably the 4 semi final teams in Europe this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,250 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I wouldn’t blame Hendrikse tbh, if you get cramp there’s not much you can do expect fall in a heap. I am sure it was a genuine cramp.

    The gamesmanship was that the Sharks coaches didn’t just help him up and away from the action. The ref should have ordered them away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,704 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I can make my calf look like that any time i like without having any cramp

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,704 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If a munster player did that he'd be taken out the back of the changing room and flogged by his own team mates

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,704 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Casey and Crowley should be the starting halfbacks in the summer and November internationals. And for the 6 nations next year

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭Packrat


    A lot to be proud of there. It feels a bit like Munster of old, and a lot to look forward to. I'll be sad to not see Pete, Conor and Archer in the red again, but looking forward, the future is very bright.

    Its annoying that we save our best performances for the battles we currently aren't good enough to win, (apart from La Rochelle) whilst leaving important and much more winnable games slip away earlier in the season.

    The Munster spirit is still alive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭Pepp1989


    If they can sign some tightheads, that team will push on. Lot of good stuff there. With the obvious frailty.



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