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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Hmmm - not sure why you think it disgusting that I post a Haaretz news item on the death of a child?

    If you're genuine about that, it says way more about you than me.

    The death of Palestinian infants as a result of violence is tragic. The death of Israeli infants as a result of violence is equally tragic.

    I didn't see any Israeli supporters posting the item - perhaps they don't care if any kids die.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I'm honestly quite taken aback at the accusation that I somehow used the death of an Israeli infant to further anything other than, as you correctly say, the "ideal" that death of any child is a tragedy.

    But, like the Hasbara, seems this is the only tactic left. Attack is the only form of defence.

    Isn't it odd though that posts of the Israelis killed on Oct 7th, including babies, are ok - but the mention of the death of an Israeli infant is "disgusting". Is it it just that it was me that mentioned it? Hmmmm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It’s not a two-player sport with a referee to blow the whistle when one side’s had enough.

    Actually it is - there are "rules of war" and the referee is the ICJ and ICC - both of which have cases against Israel and senior Israelis pending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,507 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A two year bombing campaign against Gaza which has resulted in over 50k dead, the entire population displaced and now being starved is clearly wildly disproportionate. Around 730 Israeli civilians died in the terrorist attacks on October 7th - what has happened since is lunatic stuff.

    To give some perspective, around 200 civilians were killed and 2500 injured in the 2004 Madrid train bombings. Spain didn't go on a crazed two year orgy of revenge and become a terrorist / pariah state as a result. They stuck to the rule of law and decency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,005 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Unlike Hamas, Al-Qaeda never controlled an entire territory like the Gaza Strip. All of the Israelis who were killed on October 7th - civilians and police and military personnel - were innocent.

    In an interview shown by ITV News on the first anniversary of October 7th, former hostage Moran Yanai said that, when the terrorists took her into the Gaza Strip, she saw, as I quote, "everyone in the city, from the smallest child to the oldest one, celebrating evil". Make of that what you will. You can see the interview on ITV News's YouTube channel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    On a personal level, the last few weeks have given a lot of clarity to my choices regarding friends and beliefs. Most of us have known what this support would lead to, and then to still see support as it is playing out is a complete vindication of earlier judgements.

    It isn't even "political" anymore. Some of my best friends are ardent Brexit-supporters but it doesn't matter.. That's just normal politics and irrelevant. What's happening in Gaza is a completely different thing, more innate then anything that politics comes close to. My thoughts don't even scare me anymore.. I think my thoughts are totally valid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,833 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    edit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,507 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Are you suggesting in your second paragraph the children of Gaza deserve to be killed by the regime?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    You've mentioned what Israel have done not what they should have done .



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 21,138 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    @Brendan Bendar, please stop the trolling and vague references. It's a discussion site, not one for solving riddles.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Hamas have killed innocent civilians but the response of the IDF is to kill 1000s of civilians commit genocide and allow mass starvation to continue as well as routinely bomb hospitals and kill protestors .Israel have announced a massive expansion of new settlers community's in the west bank . Yes the IDF is totally to be trusted in all new reports. They shot two 14 year old children who were playing in a olive grove and labelled then as terrorists



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭thereiver


    at least the president has the guts to criticize Israel policy in Gaza even if some people might criticize him or say he,s antisemitic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,655 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Ah your back and carrying on as if your last disgraceful post never happened. So you are appalled by people celebrating terrorism? No doubt you must be sickened by people who view the actions of the Stern Gang as noble and heroic.

    Are you appalled too by the Israelis throwing viewing parties while watching the bombs fall on Gaza.

    You must surely be utterly disgusted that according to a Haaretz poll 82 percent of Israelis agree with the forced displacement of Palestinans from Gaza. Furthermore 52 per cent think every inhabitant of a captured city should be killed.

    If you were a proper political analyst you would try to be a bit more objective and condemn vile behaviour no matter who it comes from.

    however your motive each time you post is to condemn one side while excusing the other- no matter what ridiculous mental gymnastics you need to utilise to do so.

    Post edited by nacho libre on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    What do you think about the murder of those innocent Israelis by the IDF under the Hannibal Directive?

    Moran Stella Yanai and what she said was discussed some time back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Tough listen but worth listening to this US doctor speaking at the UN after he worked in Gaza.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,005 ✭✭✭political analyst




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,005 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Most of the members of the Stern Gang (and, yes, I regard them as terrorists) are dead - and any members who are still alive are far too frail to be a danger to the lives of others.

    Very few of the victims of Oct 7th were killed by Israeli counter-attacks - and it wasn't the IDF's intention to kill hostages. I know this from when I watched a Panorama special and a Channel 4 documentary in which Emily Hand was interviewed - both programmes were shown at around the time of the first anniversary of Oct 7th.

    I think it's important to remind people of the amount of support that Hamas had in the Gaza Strip on that day. I'm aware that there was such celebration of the Oct 7th massacres among the Palestinian population - just like there was such celebration of the Sept 11th attacks (I saw footage of that celebration on the news at the time) and the suicide bombings that were carried out in Israel 20 to 30 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,507 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Two former Israeli PMs said this week that Israel is committing war crimes. Over 1000 Israeli academics signed a letter this week openly accusing Israel of genocide - these are the only people we need to listen to (those Israeli racists and bigots defending a genocide and war crimes can get stuffed basically).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You should look up "Hannibal Directive". It's not a counter attack tactic.

    Many Israelis were killed intentionally by the IDF on Oct 7th.

    But as this has been posted many times, you appear to simply ignore the fact and continue to post misinformation.

    As for Palestinian "celebrations", would you have any comment on the Genocide Tours that the Israelis are running? The ones where they rock up to the Gaza border in air-conditioned buses and watch Gazans being killed through pay-per-view binoculars? Then have a feed at the laid on bbq? Some events even have a disco so they can have a bit of a bop too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    At least some UN aid getting in, the international pressure starting to work. Though the Israelis have limited what they can disperse to flour and such, no ready cooked meals. The US/Israeli lead aid scheme, though at least something, has been proven to be ineffective and only scratching the surface.

    Still Hamas consider the ceasefire deal with no response as yet, while people die of starvation. What a mess the whole thing is!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It's a trickle. They should not have banned UNWRA. They knew how to distribute the aid and how to make it last e.g. the flour and bakeries were vital across Gaza but there are very few bakeries operational now. The weakest people are unable to get any aid. The aid must be allowed in whether there is a ceasefire or not but I hope there is a ceasefire asap. Do you know what's in the deal? For example if hostages are returned, does that end the war?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    https://news.sky.com/story/former-un-aid-chief-calls-gaza-war-genocide-8211-extraordinary-intervention-marks-significant-shift-13376992

    No one can deny it anymore. What's going on in Gaza is a genocide. Our watered down Occupied Territories Bill is no longer anywhere near appropriate enough to deal with this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Playback on Radio 1 is doing a very good summary of what's happened re Gaza this week.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,833 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Ian O’Doherty summed up the situation perfectly on Twitter. He must be on this thread


    “Precisely. The fact that TDs were still repeating the blood libel about 14,000 starving babies in the Dail even after this ridiculous slur had been fully retracted is just another reminder that we're not a serious country. I'm beginning to think there's something wrong with us.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Israel has killed tens of thousands of children in the last couple of years.

    Which is worse? This "blood libel" or the killing of tens of thousands of children? Like if you had one wish and could undo either, which would you choose?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,655 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I am well aware that most of the Stern Gang are dead. I think you are deliberately ignoring the point that Israelis celebrate terrorism and war crimes too. It's despicable whether it's Palestinians or Israelis doing it. As I said previously you seem keen to only highlight it on one side. Also it's well documented that Israel used the hannibal directive on October 7th. Once again you choose to ignore that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,655 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I would argue there is something wrong with people who are seemingly more concerned about an incorrect figure and the accusation of blood libel than the well documented atrocities that have been commited in Gaza. I wonder what is the motivation ,Walshb, behind it? Is it that it doesn't really bother them what's going on in Gaza and they want to deride others that it does to defend their own position?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,833 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    it sums up our take and attitude on it. We’re so desperate and eager to bash Israel is what it shows. We don’t want solutions. It’s an Israel bashing agenda



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Our otb doesn't matter one iota. Apart from being able to say we've shown our outrage here, look how righteous here we are, it will make no difference in the scheme of things.



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