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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,459 ✭✭✭arctictree


    At this stage, we all know that NATO does not expand. It is a defensive alliance that countries apply to join. This 'NATO Expansion' is just Russian propaganda to excuse Putins territorial ambitions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,664 ✭✭✭zv2


    Russia's main concern is that it can't batter NATO countries into submission.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,133 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nope. Tragic that some people haven't learned from history and have been duped by Russian propaganda.

    Russia threatens and attacks countries that are not in NATO, because they are vulnerable to such domination and pressure. Look at the domination of Belarus by Russia. But you seem ok with that. The people of Ukraine were not.

    And when Russia attacks such countries, it is not 'tragic', it is war crime and atrocity. People die under dictatorships too.

    As for Trump - to his credit? He's a rapist and a racist, a corrupt liar, a wannabee fascist dictator. No wonder he adopts the propaganda of a Russian dictatorship which lies about its reasons for the invasions, and engages in rape and war crimes on a vast scale.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The same poster then celebrates (example only on previous page) of Russia “expanding” in a war they started



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Russia kidnapped a load of counties after WW2 and held them hostage under the banner of the USSR for years.

    When they finally got free from Russia in 1989 the first thing they did was sought to never be kidnapped again.


    That’s why these countries join NATO. To protect them from a murderous dictatorship kidnapping excuse of a country.


    Where was Putins concerns when Finland joined NATO two years ago???



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yet more proof that the West really has no interest in defeating Russia, at least not if it compromises economic interests:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Posters?? It was one poster from what I was told?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The “west” is trying but Trump doesn’t want to sanction his buddy as per new York times

    Something that would not only help Ukraine but US energy industry who are being wiped out by OPEC+Russia

    But hey apparently he ran on a slogan of “America first” and was pro oil

    Edit: Your article points out that most of the money attributed to EU came from Hungarian and Slovak purchases

    I fully agree that these leeches should be forced out of EU and their position made so uncomfortable they leave



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    And to add to that, what those posters are suggesting is that applications from States with a history of being subjugated and attacked by Moscow should be refused, and those States told to fend for themselves in case of an invasion. Because we don't want to offend Vlad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Another day another failed motorcycle attack

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/0YvNKiqfzH

    (Don’t worry no invaders were harmed in the video, tis SFW)

    turns out the solution is cheap barbed wired, tho I suspect Russian lives are even cheaper

    After all the largest country in the world needs to expand to become larger /s



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,176 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I have on several occasions donated to Ukrainian units wanting to raise funds to purchase advanced DJI surveillance drones, in fact I saw one such appeal earlier today:

    Matrice 4T.jpg

    EW is Electronic Warfare, 3 4T means they want to buy 3 DJI Matrice/Mavic 4T drones. £5910 a pop - as you can see from the subtitles.

    I know Ukraine pioneered most of the drone uses, but they did so mostly using DJI drones they purchased in large quantities.

    The FPV drones have mostly been custom builds engineered by volunteers in Ukraine who buy the parts in bulk from China or local suppliers and assemble them.

    AFAIK, Ukraine does not currently have the capability to manufacture equivalents of DJI and Autel enterprise grade drones which are used for surveillance, target acquisition and ranging for artillery, mortars, HIMARS and FPV and bomber drones. These are the eye in the sky drones that provide most of those videos we get to see.

    Why do you think this is such a big deal as to make the news? It's because Ukraine still relies heavily on enterprise class drones they don't make. They now make almost all their own FPV and bomber drones, but the drones that drop stuff were almost all DJI Mavic drones until quite recently.

    Look at these:

    Mavics.png image_2025-05-30_035637072.png

    Those big boxy drones are all DJI enterprise drones costing about €13,000 each, at the time. Even the smaller ones are DJI Mavics.

    I'm pretty sure the Orcs pioneered the use of fibre optic controlled drones, using them heavily in Kursk.

    Even though Ukraine now has the capacity to build 4 million drones annually, they are still incredibly vulnerable in that they need a lot of stuff to build them that can only be sourced from China, the most critical thing being the powerful neodymium magnets used in the motors. Without these they would be screwed.

    “These motors are designed and manufactured in Ukraine. In terms of localization, the Ukrainian component is 70%, the rest is imported from abroad. The main Chinese element is neodymium magnets, the world monopoly on their production belongs to China. But this is not critical, as they are widely used in the civilian industry,”

     I'm not sure that confidence about them not being critical is correct.

    On the battlefield, the Mavic is known to be used both for reconnaissance and for attacking enemy targets.…

    The official added that China has likely also reduced shipments of certain drone components — such as magnets used in motors — to Western buyers. At the same time, however, Beijing has reportedly increased supplies to Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭AvalonEnaid


    Again. If the nuclear response is used, all bets are off and there is no wiggle room.

    In the scenario of NK taking a swing at SK and then using a nuke to devastate the first counter offensive will result in the end of Kim's regime. By simply using a nuke just once indicates the willing to use another nuke again. Therefore the risk to not respond, hoping that another one is not on the way is simply too great a risk to take.

    The same for russia's eventual invasion of Europe. Even if putin launches a nuke at an uninhabited part of the world as a warning to not march on moscow means he is willing to use a nuke again. In this case is it better to employ the first strike doctrine and try to drastically cripple russia (difficult because of russia's ballistic missile submarines) because the use of nuclear weapons in any capacity removes any diplomatic playbooks.

    (I hope I'm never wrong on this); The point I'm trying to make is bringing up a nuclear response for any invasion scenario is pointless as it's not a tactical advantage, but a tactical disadvantage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Good post

    Tho I suspect China will have as much luck in stopping exports of drone parts as they had with fentanyl precursors

    Or we in “west” had with electronic components



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,692 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It seems like these new FPV drones that was reported on 6 weeks ago are getting more and more frequent lately. The main supply routes north of Pokrovsk seem to be getting quite a lot of attention the last few days.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    It's all about the money. Europe in particular have been an utter embarrassment on this issue since 2014 but in particular since 2022.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I agree to an extent, but it's a delicate balancing act - ultimately people care more about their pockets than the war. Apart from Slovakia and Hungary, as a whole Europe is weaning itself off Russian resources. Yes Russian LNG has increased, however it's important to keep in mind it's only 5% of EU consumption - so hopefully that can be shut down soon. It's also tough(er) with Trump in the WH and far right populists threatening to take power constantly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,922 ✭✭✭JJayoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,197 ✭✭✭jmreire


    So going back over 30 years, when Russia was perceived to be the 2nd most powerful military in the world, and nuclear armed, they had security concerns? What about the security concerns of the rest of the world regarding Russia? Specifically, the countries bordering Russia? Are they not entitled to have security concerns as well? The countries that got independence from Russia, promptly joined NATO. Because they knew well what Putins Russia would be like. Unfortunately, Ukraine didn't join, and even more unfortunately handed over not only their nuclear weapons, but also a lot of conventional weaponry as well. And more recently, Sweeden and Finland joined NATO, with no major fuss or bother from Russia.

    The problem began when Putin decided to fix what he considers to be the greatest catastrophe to befall Russia, the breakup of the USSR,and he wants to restore it. Reclaiming Ukraine was the first step in this. All other excuses are just that, excuses and cover-ups. But instead, all he has achieved is the death and disabling of 980'000 approx. Russians, driven the Russian economy to a state of near bankruptcy, and sowed chaos all over the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    OK we all agree Trump is a lying untrustworthy cnut, but can you not let it frame every point you make about the Ukraine war? We could agree to put it in the OP is a given that he's a lying cnut.

    EU doesn't need sanctions to stop buying oil and gas from Russia.

    They can just stop; except they have their head up their holes for a generation in relation to energy policy. Except France who gave energy security some thought.

    Europe's continuing addiction to Russian exports is entirely independent from Trump's cnutishness. 11 years and counting from the first Russian aggression.

    You want to force Hungary and Slovakia out of the EU? How do you propose doing that in compliance within EU law and the democratic process?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    It’s not the EU tho, they keep trying only to get blocked by two members who are doing the importation → Hungary and Slovakia

    The Russians and their friends here would love to grow anti EU resentments in various EU countries and blame the EU for everything deflecting from the real turds in Central Europe

    If 25 want to push 2 of the members out they can, by simply making their membership pointless, the obstructionist knife can cut both ways.

    Right now the other 25 members don’t view what Hungary and Slovakia are doing as directly harmful to them (more of an annoyance), let’s say Russia invades Poland or Baltics tomorrow and hence directly threaten a member, the following day would see both of these counties put into a situation where they either choose EU or continuing suck Putin’s pipe



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/15/eu-could-end-penalties-for-companies-that-break-russian-gas-contracts#:~:text=The%20EU%20imported%20just%20under,according%20to%20energy%20thinktank%20Ember.

    A nice non right wing source which is at odds with your point about Hungary and Slovakia being the only problem.

    They "might" cancel contracts while Russia on other side is committing genocide in Ukraine. Sweet Jesus

    eu gas by country.jpg

    You sure it's just Hungary and Slovakia? Do you want to throw Italy France Spain and France out to?

    https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/the-final-push-for-eu-russian-gas-phase-out/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    First you blaming the EU now you blaming individual members confirming what I wrote, so which one is it?

    Then you asked what is EU to do undermining your whole argument and ignoring that there have been multiple attempts at eu wide level blocked by 1-2 countries

    BTW Where are these EU owned and operated power plants and policies?

    Nice try trying to redirect blame to some vague and nebulous EU and working for free for Russian propagandists



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    No, I think there's still a disconnect here. I'm not suggesting any use of nuclear weapons without an actual existential threat being involved to cause it in the first place.

    I don't know if the population of Seoul (or anyone else in Korea) will feel particularly good about the fact that the use of a nuke by DPRK seals Kim's fate given where that nuke might go. Losing the first Korean war did not cost Kim the Eldest his position in power, there is no guarantee that losing the second one will not have a similar effect. RoK troops entering the Ryongsong Residence is far more likely to see the Kims out of power than just another simple military loss back to the DMZ.

    If you were the South Korean President whose forces have just kicked the Korean People's Army back to Panmunjom, you now have a choice.

    You stay more or less at the pre-war demarcation line and hope that internal DPRK machinations remove Kim, but with a far smaller chance of anything more serious happening in the RoK, or you can move on Pyongyang, remove Kim yourself, but risk the chance of Kim (or his other folks in positions of power and luxury), with nothing left to lose, using a nuke on the South.

    I know which choice I'd make, and that means it's entirely possible that Kim the Younger can launch a war against the RoK, lose, and be absolutely no worse off as a result because of the life insurance that nukes provide.

    Putin looks like being in a similar boat right now. Despite all sorts of hope after year one and two of Ukraine, there's no sign that his position on power is weakening, that he's even eating or drinking less well than before, and there's basically zero chance that no matter what he does, he will ever see a non-Russian power march on the Kremlin no matter how outmatched his conventional forces may be.

    As a total aside, the use of fibre-optic guidance in missiles isn't new. The US was mucking around with it in the 1980s, the Japanese have had it in service since the 1990s. What's new in Ukraine is the scale, not so much the technology.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    You really see what you want to see....

    EU imports increased between 23 and 24. Why was that Slovakia and Hungary made Italy import more gas?

    Don't throw slurs at me because you don't like the reality of EU energy policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    You are welcome to link to EU energy policy where they insist Russian gas must be bought

    While you at it find em “EU power plants” you speak of

    You keep trying to blame EU for actions of members who want or destroy the EU from the inside and whose corrupt leaders are in bed with Putin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    They buy it. They bought more between 23 and 24, why was that? Who made them big bad Trump, big bad Slovakia, Hungary or EU countries care more about warm houses at home than dead Ukrainians.

    I don't need to show policy.

    Europe is screaming for a modern day Churchill with a pair of balls instead we have continuing trade with the nation that invaded Ukraine 11 years ago. Well north of 2 Trillion in that time frame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Who is they? The EU or companies in individual member states?

    I will keep calling you out on your attempts to blame the EU for actions of very few members who want to destroy and obstruct how other EU members operate from the inside

    That’s straight out of the Russian propaganda playbook of sowing division and destroying faith in institutions that give us a 10x better standard of living than likes of Russia where for 25+ years of Putin resided of an ever more corrupt and criminal state



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,176 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Two powerful explosions occurred near Desantnaya Bay in the Russian city of Vladivostok, located in the Far East, on the morning of 30 May. Ukrainska Pravda sources have reported that the blasts were the result of a successful operation by Defence Intelligence of Ukraine.

    Details: At least two explosions were reported in the area where the 47th Separate Air Assault Battalion of the 155th Separate Guards Marine Brigade (military unit No. 30926) is stationed. One blast occurred near a checkpoint and the other at a location where personnel and command staff of the unit were present. Military personnel, equipment and special assets were hit.

    Local residents stated that at least ten ambulances and a medical evacuation helicopter arrived at the scene. Damaged equipment is being removed from the military site in military Ural trucks.

    In contrast, regional authorities claimed the incident was caused by the explosion of two gas cylinders, asserting that "no one was injured".

    So the Orc populace likely thinks they are winning the war special operation, with few casualties, but there's a strangely high incidence of exploding gas cylinders, gas mains, petrol cans and people falling out of windows, whether they are the kind that can be opened, or not?

    Sounds like a good result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,692 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Negotiations could resume in Istanbul again on Monday, still a bit of disagreement on a few technical details from the sound of it though.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/30/world/europe/ukraine-russia-peace-talks.html

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    That's LNG, which is the exception. Pipeline gas, coal and oil are all down.

    As mentioned previously, for context, Russia supplies 5% of Europe's LNG need. This is likely to change in the next 2 years (mostly related to infrastructure and long term contracts). Yes on paper we should stop all Russian imports but in reality it's still a massive on-going challenge.

    The EU is making an effort in this - a couple of EU countries aren't.



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