Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

RickBlaine · 28-05-2025 10:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123494208#Comment_123494208

I can accept that as an excuse for Trump's win in 2016 but not for 2024 after everything he has done. In 2024, the American public knew exactly who and what he is and they still chose to vote for a sexual assaulting insurrectionist felon as their president.

briany · 28-05-2025 11:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495136#Comment_123495136

The problem is that all the negative actions of Trump were so heavily reported that the American public became generally numb to it, plus MAGA just reacted with their trademark mixture of equivocation and combativeness.

Looking back, the re-election of Trump seemed inevitable.

extra gravy · 28-05-2025 11:20PM

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/05/28/trump-erupts-taco-trade-nickname-tariffs/83903123007/

"President Donald Trump is no fan of an emerging nickname on Wall Street mocking his on-again, off-again approach to tariffs.

Trump lashed out at a reporter on May 28 who asked for his response to financial analysts embracing a new term called "TACO trade." The acronym stands for "Trump always chickens out" ‒ a jab at the president's propensity to impose or threaten steep tariffs on imports, only to later back off."

TACO trading... brilliant 😂

Leroy42 · 28-05-2025 11:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495210#Comment_123495210

Because the voters didn't care. It goes back to the point that Trump isn't some strange anomaly, he really represents the majority in the US.

Frank Bullitt · 28-05-2025 11:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495223#Comment_123495223

Love how his detailed response, covers him backtracking on the negotiations, making the whole point.

And again, calling it a nasty question, it is no wonder America is the laughing stock of the world right now.

Manic Moran · 29-05-2025 12:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123494262#Comment_123494262

They vary from place to place. The State and County is going to get its pound of flesh somehow, but the method varies, and the practical effect varies even more which means that discussions on the “national median” (or even national average) are pretty useless. You may as well try to generalize Europe by taking figures from Greece and Liechtenstein and assuming the results are representative. Ten miles up the road from me in the next county (same State) property taxes are 40% cheaper than where I live now.

Case study.

I own two houses, both purchased for about the same price. One in California, one in Texas. (Texas one is near thrice the size, though). The California house is taxed at about 1.2% and cannot increase by more than 1.3% a year courtesy of Prop 13 which has its good points and bad. The Texas house is taxed at about 2.3% of value, which can go up by up to 10% a year (though I’m happy to say it hasn’t). Obviously that means that I pay substantially more property taxes in Texas than I do in California.

However, Texas doesn’t have income tax. California has pretty high income tax. When we moved to Texas, I was the single earner, and after doing some napkin maths, the property plus income tax in California was just shy combined of the property tax alone in Texas. However, after my wife started working again (kid got older), the same calculation resulted in the overall household tax bill in Texas being far less than that we would have faced in California, since California would have added the income tax from the wife to my own income tax and the property tax. It’s also worth observing that a Texan who rents pays neither state income tax nor property tax.

There are a slew of other variables as well. I pay in Texas about 10% of the cost of my vehicle registration in California. ($50 vs $500). Sales tax in my part of Texas is about 8%, in my part of California, about 10%. Petrol is 50% cheaper in Texas. Etc., but these additional things made a massive difference in practice.

The way it all worked out, our disposable income in Texas on just my one income actually worked out as better than had we stayed in California on two incomes (and my income didn’t change with the move). The decision (wife was heavily pregnant) basically came down to the fact that in order to allow us to stay in California, she needed to go to work as soon as maternity leave was over, and then we’d have to hand over most of her pay check to someone else to raise our kid. By moving to Texas, my one income was sufficient to float the family for a couple of years while the wife stayed home.

Even just comparing disposable income between states only goes so far, as the cost of things equally varies. You get more for your disposable dollar in Missouri than you do in Hawaii.

Larbre34 · 29-05-2025 01:05AM

Absolute ****ing LOL

Happy constitutional crisis America. Y'all deserve it.

AbusesToilets · 29-05-2025 01:29AM

About damn time. Let's get it over with before he's put too many of his lackeys in positions of power.

kneemos · 29-05-2025 04:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495274#Comment_123495274

Toys will get thrown.

everlast75 · 29-05-2025 05:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495223#Comment_123495223

And that reporter is...

CNBC DC correspondent Megan Cassella.

Like SV Dáte, a proper journalist, who also stood up to trump, asking him if he was tired of lying to the American public.

spacecoyote · 29-05-2025 05:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495227#Comment_123495227

In essence, yeah, the MAGAs were always going to MAGA.

The rest pretty much voted with their pockets...I had more money when Trump was last president than I do when Biden is president.

They'll forgive an awful lot if they think it means more cash in the bank.

It's the Homer Simpson Garbage Man episode playing out in reality

Quin_Dub · 29-05-2025 06:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495274#Comment_123495274

Oh.. the talking heads will be apoplectic today.

Lots lot of talk of "Activist" judges and ranting about impeachment etc. and claiming that the Judges are trying to block his policies

Once again fundamentally misunderstanding what the Judges are saying.

They aren't saying "you can't do that" they are mostly and clearly saying "You can do it in that way"

He can apply all the tariffs he likes, but under the Constitution he needs to get Congressional approval.

But Trump doesn't want to do that because, he knows he won't get it.

Field east · 29-05-2025 07:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495322#Comment_123495322

it’s naive to comment on , for example, income and comparing it between presidencies. It reminds me that when FG got into power it ‘ spent’ most of it ‘cleaning up’ the economy and bringing back into health. The voters did not like it - as their income probably dropped- and put FF back into power. IMO, this happened on a number of occasions. Probably would not happen now

Peregrinus · 29-05-2025 07:12AM

The MAGA fulminations have started already.

And, as might be expected, they're fundamentally dishonest. A White House spokesman has said that . .

It is not for unelected judges to decide how to properly address a national emergency

But the court makes this exact point itself:

The court does not pass upon the wisdom or likely effectiveness of the president’s use of tariffs as leverage. That use is impermissible not because it is unwise or ineffective, but because [federal law] does not allow it.

In other words, the courts don't decide how the government should properly deal with what it sees as a national emergency, but they do decide what the government can legally do. That is literally their core job.

golfball37 · 29-05-2025 07:22AM

If the media in America did its job we wouldn’t have Trump 2. Telling us there was nothing wrong with Joe Bidens mind for years before they had to fess up after the debate gave Trump the extra votes needed.
Those votes would have gone to a respectable Democrat candidate who was selected at least 12 months previously

ancapailldorcha · 29-05-2025 07:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495136#Comment_123495136

Oh, I'm not defending them at all. If they thought that voting for a career parasite who's bled every business he's ever had and every person he's ever known dry would fix things for them, they deserve what they get.

eightieschewbaccy · 29-05-2025 07:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495413#Comment_123495413

This still requires the US public to be absolutely fine with electing a convicted felon and rapist. I agree that Biden dropped out too late. Harris and even Biden frankly remain light years ahead of the option that was Donald Trump. In terms of the chaos he's creating to date, Harris called it during the election.

ancapailldorcha · 29-05-2025 07:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495413#Comment_123495413

Or if they weren't relentlessly promoting Trump for decades, making him out to be kind of bombastic figure of fun instead of the evil man he is.

Peregrinus · 29-05-2025 07:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495413#Comment_123495413

Not really — people who were concerned about voting for a candidate whose mental faculties were in obvious decline wouldn't vote for Trump anyway, would they?

It may have been late in the day, but the Democrats did eventually persuade Biden to stand down and make way for another candidate. The Republicans, by constrast, bulled ahead and nominated Trump. And the fact that Trump won tells you that mental capacity was not a dealbreaker for a majority of the voters.

breezy1985 · 29-05-2025 07:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123493936#Comment_123493936

So you break down the US into states but are happy to compare to Europe as one big lump knowing full well the disparity between countries in Europe.

golfball37 · 29-05-2025 07:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495451#Comment_123495451

It’s more that they were lying because they were afraid of enabling Trump- which ironically they did.
The ultimate selling point of Trump was to make ordinary people believe establishment lies to you and considers you stupid. Telling us there was nothing wrong with Joe for a long time prior to the debate was a mistake. A big one

Widdensushi · 29-05-2025 07:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495501#Comment_123495501

Surely it's pot/kettle, there's no way trump gets through the term without some questions/scandal about his mental state/health, but yes a younger candidate sooner was what was needed

Oscar_Madison · 29-05-2025 08:03AM

How many more of these decisions will be made I wonder over the coming months ?

The company is US based so can presumably, “easily” take back manufacturing - 300 jobs gone, just like that- and many more I’m sure local jobs impacted. I don’t blame the company per se- if I was head, dealing with all the Trump sh1te, and threat of tarrifs I may well do the same .

Hopefully these folk will get work elsewhere but must be very stressful

https://www.thejournal.ie/carelon-limerick-6717260-May2025/

Quin_Dub · 29-05-2025 08:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495515#Comment_123495515

That's got nothing to do with Tariffs.

They are a healthcare tech company so no "manufacturing" jobs.. they are just a company in trouble shutting down an office, they aren't moving the jobs, they are cutting them completely.

Crap news for those involved obviously, but nothing whatsoever to do with Trump's nonsense.

thereiver · 29-05-2025 08:14AM

Texas is passing a bill to make all cannabis products illegal .1000s of people will lose their jobs selling hemp and other cannabis products

Cannabis can have positive health effects when used in moderation

The housing market is struggling in Florida due the high cost .of insurance insurance go,s p as more areas are hit by hurricanes and flooding due to climate change There's extra charges to maintain buildings and apartments .

Insurance and other charges can be as high as paying a small mortgage.

threeball · 29-05-2025 08:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495515#Comment_123495515

€1.2m pissed away on a company that can wind up operations inside 6 months. What kind of crazy investment strategy has the IDA that allows a company receive money that has given zero commitment to any type of wind down period should they decide to leave. Not all these people are going to walk in to other work so you will have potential issues with loans and mortgages off the back of it. Money like that should be conditional. Minimum 24 months notice or else its refundable pro rata.

Peregrinus · 29-05-2025 08:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495515#Comment_123495515

The Carelon plant in Limerick is not a manufacturing plant, so this is not a case of anyone "taking back manufacturing". Carelon's products ("information technology application support, data analytics, and business process services") are not goods, and are unaffected by the Trump tariffs. Also, this decision was flagged some weeks ago, well before Stupid Thursday.

Not to say that Trump's policies and actions definitely have nothin to do with this, but on the information we have at present it's not easy to draw a line connecting Trump's policies and this decision.

Patrick2010 · 29-05-2025 08:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495322#Comment_123495322

Biden was president at a time when there was worldwide inflation mainly due to the Russian invasion but Americans believed it was due to Bidens handling of the US economy. All the economic indicators like growth and employment were excellent but Americans believed Trump when he said it was a disaster.

aloyisious · 29-05-2025 08:26AM

Trump launched a sales effort of Trump Media shares yesterday on the market in an effort to raise/buy US$2.5 Billion worth of bitcoin. Is he running short of ready cash in accounts with people he relied upon for large donations retreating from him?

I don't know if he settled the legal row he had with the two other co-founders of the Trump Media Parent Co last year over his attempt to "short" them of their share of the expected profit, claiming they did not own any share of that Co, which might give him sole ownership of the Co.

everlast75 · 29-05-2025 08:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495447#Comment_123495447

I'll always remember watching them broadcast a Bernie speech while having a small box which contained an empty podium for an upcoming Trump speech. They cut away to the podium periodically, despite the fact that nothing was happening.

I think it was John Oliver who carried out a computation of the amount it would have cost trump to pay for the screentime and it was in the millions...

Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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