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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,178 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I think Killarney Chamber and hotelier Patrick O Donoghue (Gleneagle) have also commented on tourism in Killarney being down

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,729 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    The post I was answering was talking about entering the country without documentation ..thst is different to destroying documentation or fraudulently entering .

    Applying for asylum is not dependent on documentation nor is it fraudulently entering the country as some are implying here .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    In the medium to long term tourism will die a death here, a sacrifice on the altar of ipas.

    While there's enough anointed ones in this industry absolutely milking it, backed by a servile media and lunatic fringe left screaming at anyone declaring the emperor nude, the slide will continue unchecked.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We will do this one last time.

    It is against immigration laws in this state to enter the state without valid travel documents. It is against immigration laws in this state to provide false travel documents when entering the state. No ifs. No buts. No maybes.

    I most definitely have never ever said that claiming asylum is dependent on having valid travel documents. It is well known at this stage that any Tom,Dick or Harry can claim asylum without a single document. Some are here genuinely claiming asylum and with no documents. Others claim asylum with no documents, stay in the system, get leave to remain and never ever leave with the state never knowing for certain who they actually are.

    You are spinning around in so many circles now, I'm getting dizzy reading these posts.

    All we're missing now is 20 plus posts on the attendance at Olly Murs concerts. That is where we are at now on this thread. That is how far down the toilet the level of discourse has been allowed to go on here.

    It truly is a sad state of affairs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,178 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    What's wrong with Olly Murs, I'm sure he enters every country with his correct valid documents 😉

    IMHO if you can't prove who you are, you shouldn't be allowed to stay to apply for asylum

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,729 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭BandyMandy


    Mod Edit: Warned for ignoring mod instructions re: link dumping of articles

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The employee does give a hoot about whether they have a place to live or not, however.

    If company employees cannot source accommodation, they can't take up the job post and in the end, those jobs go somewhere else outside of ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,763 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    I worked in hospitality myself years ago, I would love to see you working in one of these IPAS centres where it’s all men from the ME and Africa that managed to get 10k to smuggle themselves across boarders. I can’t imagine dealing with people with completely different values to yours would change your mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Some ideological elements are really clutching at straws these days. They want people to believe that high levels of immigration have not led to a housing crisis and that hotels being used to accommodate asylum seekers have not negatively impacted tourism. Daft stuff. As I said before it's reminiscent of climate change deniers, who won’t let reality interfere with their dogma.

    I think it's time our leaders were questioned far more on immigration and how we have ended up with the current situation. Is it really a good idea to be giving tech workers visas if that leads to Dubliners being priced out of their own city? You can certainly make an argument that it's for the greater good, I think it probably is a good idea to let them come up to a point, but there does need to be more limits. Surely it's not a good idea to allow unskilled workers come in large numbers given the housing crisis, ditto for students outside of the main universities.

    As I mentioned before legal immigration is the big issue, and there does need to be a tightening. Immigration does need to be decreased, any honest person can acknowledge the current approach isn't working.

    Post edited by Sunny Disposition on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I have taken from your posting that you are pro immigration.

    This person has employed and contributed more to the country in 20 years than most will in their lifetime.

    This is the type of immigrant you have an issue with?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,996 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You can seek asylum without ID. Now, not everyone who does it is genuine. But they are not “illegal immigrants”.

    I’ve no idea what you mean by the “no wars” line. I fail to see the relevance.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,439 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    My immigration stance (how you gathered that from a post where I never mentioned immigration), the Treyvaud families immigration status or their contribution to the economy have no bearing on the fact that I think Paul Treyvaud is a spanner. I thought it before he was anti immigration, before he was anti Vax and I'll think it in a year when he's got the next bit between his teeth when he realises his latest stance isn't helping him shift 30 euro fish cakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    You asked me how it was illegal to turn up here without no documentation.

    I gave you the link from the immigration act confirming it is an offence to present at immigration here without valid ID.

    Anyone that does so has entered the country illegally before claiming asylum.

    You agreed people turning up here illegally should be refused and deported and I agree with you.

    I am not sure what you are confused on, we agree they should be deported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I fail to see what his stance on vaccines or the price of his food has got to do with immigration.

    You sound like you are bitter that he has come here and done well for himself.

    He has come here and contributed greatly to the country and has every right to complain about an issue affecting his business and staff who could lose jobs.

    Ireland needs more immigrants like him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,439 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    He was born and raised in Blackrock to an Irish mother, so unless Dublin to Killarney is considered emigration these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭sliabh 1956


    Well that's news to me I'm a frequent visitor Killarney and it always looks full of Irish and Foreign tourists . The hotel prices don't reflect a desperate need for more Tourists . The Hoteliers and Publicans are always giving the poor mouth.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,772 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: @Francie Barrett, your post was deleted as it is currently before the courts.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,996 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Yes, but it appears you are wrong. The courts agree. If one claims asylum it’s not an illegal entry, you get the right to have your claim processed like anyone else.

    I no longer agree with you, because you are factually incorrect

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The clear problem is that too many people are chasing too few homes.

    The clear solution is to put a limit on the number of people being allowed to come into the country. You would clearly start on stopping immigration from those who require government housing support, which would at least relieve some of the pressure.

    Of course such a thing will never happen, the big thinkers in our Marxist government would never allow it.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    What specifically is Marxist about the current Irish government?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    Might it be the fact that Groucho, Chico, Harpo and Beppo wouldn't seem out of place in the Cabinet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Well no the law says it is an offence to arrive here without valid ID.

    You agreed with me that those people should be deported.

    You can claim asylum but that does not change the fact you arrived here illegally.

    Who were you referring to when you said they should be deported?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,996 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    People who arrive without ID who don’t claim asylum are clearly breaking a law.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Well no, anyone who arrives here without valid id is breaking the law as you can read in the 2004 immigration act I gave you a link to.

    They are arriving here illegally and then claiming asylum.

    You wanted people arriving here illegally deported the other day.

    I am not sure what changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I took by his surname and downthe middle posting that he was from a non EU country that he was an immigrant, which it seems the poster was not accurate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    We are in this situation because Fianna fails and fine Gaels market based economics has failed to build enough homes especially in the social and affordable area.

    Yet here you are letting them off the hook by blaming Marxists.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Ironically Marxism is dead set against mass migration as it's seen as a tool of capitalism.

    In our topsy turvy 21st century world the left are clamouring to support mass migration that's driven by uber capitalists at the expense of indigenous populations in developed countries who in reaction begin to become more conservative in their outlook, usually starting in the poorest strata of society where the left traditionally had the greatest level of support.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,005 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    One of the best councilors in Tipperary Cllr Liam Browne Statement on the situation:

    𝐒𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐢𝐧 𝐫𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝐃𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐫𝐮𝐦 𝐇𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞, 𝐜𝐮𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐮𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧
    It's taken me a couple of days to respond to this, because of other issues that arose, but I'd like to wholeheartedly put my name behind the condemnation of the Department of Justice and Department of Integration, on their decisions firstly to sign a contract with an unknown entity, to pay them millions of euros of taxpayers money, and secondly to begin to move IPAs into Dundrum, while the property is operating under a warning letter from Tipperary County Council, regarding inadequate infrastructure and numerous breaches of planning law
    In the few meetings we have had with the Department, we were clearly told that no properties would be considered unless they were fully compliant with planning legislation.
    Signing a contract, and moving people to Dundrum, shows that to be a lie. A clear lie.
    It also shows that the Department give no consideration to local democracy, the opinions of local representatives or local people
    This is about money. It is about greed. It is about not caring for local communities. Not caring for heritage.
    Not caring for the basic expectation of Irish people, that their Government treat them with fairness.
    We were told as much by the Department in a meeting in Nenagh. They don't trust us.
    Today is the one year anniversary of the protest at the gates of Dundrum House. I want to say fair play to those who spent one day or 365 days, standing at the gates, asking for that fairness.
    There was trouble at those gates once in 365 days. And that was brought to Dundrum by the State. They should be ashamed of themselves for that.
    The people of Dundrum showed huge dignity throughout the year. And they will continue to do so, I am 100% confident of that.
    They, we and I, feel left down.
    Money truly is the root of all evil.
    Our buildings will be left to fall down. Our communities will be set against each other in an attempt to divide us. Our leaders will treat us with contempt.
    But in the end, we will be proved right.
    What they have done, was wrong. Is wrong. And will always be wrong.
    The future will be the judge of that.
    Regards
    Cllr Liam Browne
    Proudly representing the people of Dundrum and the surrounding areas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    What is ironic about marxism and marxists being shoehorned into this discussion when it has nothing to do with the problem?

    Who in this thread has proclaimed themselves a marxist?

    Who has suggested Marxism is the solution to either our immigration or our house building situation?

    Ironic isn't it?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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