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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Not against the law if claiming asylum .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,179 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Isn't arriving here without documents or with fake documents a crime, prosecutions have happened

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2024/03/27/surge-in-prosecutions-of-asylum-seekers-arriving-without-passports/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Not against the law if claiming asylum as I stated in the post immediately above yours.

    The poster posting about section 4 being definitive about the law is incorrect because further sections 5 and 14 allow people to present to an immigration officer and identify as claiming asylum as per the specific instructions of the Minister.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Basically the law is written and amended to allow the minister discretion to admit or not to admit certain groups of non nationals ,/ non EU members into the country.

    If the law was in fact being broken on a daily basis over a number of years do you all not think that this would have come to everyone's including the gardaí and government's attention before now ?

    Because they are not breaking the law as it applies to them at this point in time.

    It's really not some gotcha ..it has been discussed many times before also . Hence why it is clearly referred to in the op of this thread

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/02/23/man-jailed-for-two-months-as-a-deterrent-after-he-arrived-at-dublin-airport-without-a-passport/

    This is the level of posting that is now allowed in this thread. Complete outright lies.

    You are breaking immigration laws when you enter the state without travel documents. You are breaking immigration laws when you enter the state with false travel documents. The article above clearly states this and there have been arrests in the past 12 months over this as the government look to change the perception of how they are handling immigration issues.

    Anyone is entitled to claim asylum. This does not negate the illegal activity the person may have taken part in by destroying documents or using false documents. The fact that you believe this to be so is absolutely astonishing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    No that would be you. Go and read the statutes . I am not going to quote the parts that say they dat producing documentation does not apply to some . I already stated where that wasso up to you to read it yourself .

    It is all there nothing to do with me ..just pointing it out .

    Also not going to discuss it further as per the OP

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2024/03/27/surge-in-prosecutions-of-asylum-seekers-arriving-without-passports/

    You really have to wonder what world people are living in.

    Just to be clear again. It has always been against immigration law to enter the state without valid travel documents. It has always been against immigration law to enter the state with false travel documents. Just because the state and immigration officials were exceptionally soft on this for a long long time, does not mean it is not illegal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Again for the last time ..read the statute with particular reference to section 5 and 14

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,745 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://www.gov.ie/en/international-protection-accommodation-services-ipas/collections/statistics-2004-to-2025/#latest-ipas-statistics-weekly-report

    Good news that the number of people in the IPAS system has started dropping for the first time since Roderic O’Gorman set the dumpster on fire. After peaking at c. 33,000 it now is down to 32,704, which is a net increase of 2 people since the turn of the year.

    Putting a lid on this is a good start as it’ll put a halt to expansion at least



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,179 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Is it section 5 and 14 of Immigration Act 2004?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Unless of course it's a village like maybe…oh I don't know, Donnybrook D4, where The Hampton Hotel was just perfect for the ol asylum seeking lads to rest up and get some relief from the horrors of war in the UK

    Indo - "A spokesperson for the Dept of Integration said" -

    “All offers of accommodation have to be assessed, but not all are deemed appropriate or suitable. We do not provide information about why individual properties are no longer under consideration.”

    Dundrum, Co Tipp - Absolutely Perfect

    Donnybrook D4 - Totally unsuitable and would be just ghastly for the locals

    'Shafting rural Ireland' - An initiative of the Government of Ireland

    _________

    A few side Q's

    Does O'Gorman still have Garda close protection stuck to him?

    Any news on the South African lads hunger strike?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭_Quilombero_


    It's always against the law to use fraudulent documents or destroy documents to enter a country, that's why some asylum scammers (a small minority) have been prosecuted.

    Genuine refugees are exempt from punishment for breaking this law.

    The problem is that the vast majority are not actually refugees so there should be way more prosecutions but instead we just reward scammers with "permission to remain" and then citizenship.

    The act of destroying documents is a tried-and-tested, paint-by-numbers routine at this stage. The law quite clearly isn't working the way it should.

    It's also a crime to refuse to make reasonable efforts to prove one's identity after claiming asylum but many asylum seekers routinely make things difficult, which is partially why it takes so long to process them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,450 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Tourist numbers way back on last year. Maybe it's time to forget about fickle tourists and concentrate on the refugee industry instead! Far better bed occupancy levels, no need for marketing etc etc.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's not that big of a drop but it makes sense given the cost of Ireland as a destination.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,992 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    That first bit is astonishing comment.

    Fairyland.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I suppose like everything, the devil is in the detail, the number of nights stayed in the country by each of the tourists would have a big bearing on how to interpret the figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,450 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Paul treyvaud , restaurant owner in Killarney pointing absolutely nails it-

    This taxpayers money we are blowing on paying for this is crippling our country. Our tourism industry is utterly decimated and small family run businesses are closing all across our nation at an alarming rate

    It’s time to stop this insanity and forget the PC bullshit and fix our country once and for all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Are you suggesting that the Treyvaud family go back to the non EU country from where they came?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,439 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    And 6 months ago businesses were going to be devastated by having to pay staff minimum wage, before that COVID restrictions were going to decimate the industry, leading to one of the dumbest publicity stunts I've ever seen, before that Virgin media were hampering Irish business because they wouldn't give him a TV show. 6 months from now he'll probably be campaigning to bring back smoking sections.

    Chap's an absolute spanner.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He seems like the sort who'd be at the barricades if anyone ever tried to build affordable homes in Killarney. I'm not sure what he's "nailing" given that we've been hearing this tedious drivel for over a decade now.

    I clicked "show more" and now I can actually read what he wrote without logging onto X at work and it's just the same tired old victimhood dreck that bigots like him have been peddling for years. If he's that concerned about immigration to Ireland, he should set an example and clear off instead of defending fascists and thugs.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,450 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Is that what came across to you when you read my post, how bizarre. Try read it again, cheers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,450 ✭✭✭enricoh


    A 21% drop in tourists over last year- it's just tired old victimhood nowadays.

    You live in the UK n don't work in Irish tourist industry so I doubt it'll affect you in anyway shape or form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭briangriffin


    I believe Paul, a taxpayer who runs a business that depends on tourist footfall is perfectly entitled to question the government spending billions of taxpayers money to enrich a select few people in a new highly profitable industry (asylum accomadation) which is in direct competition with his livelihood as with so many peoples. Billions of euros on economic migrants posing as genuine asylum seekers.

    The decline of the tourist industry in Ireland is entirely predictable.

    The social and democratic contract between the people (the tax payers) and our politicians has never been as broken. There was always a perception that our politicians had a plan that was in the interest of the nation as a whole and representative of the people as a whole who voted them in. That politicians were competent and had a vision for what our country could be which aligned with the electorate, there are so many fiasco's of government spending and policy that at this stage the only thing you could say for certain is that there is no plan beyond willfully spending billions knowing that there is no value for money in it as per Simon Harris, and that there will be no consequences for absolute incompetence and waste. I have never spoken to as many people who are pissed off with the state of politics and policy in this country ... there are interesting times ahead



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,450 ✭✭✭enricoh


    He's operating a restaurant in Killarney over 20 years, in an industry where huge numbers go wallop in a year or two. Providing employment and keeping a corner of the high street alive.

    A spanner says you!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,439 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    I could have gone with hypocrite, spoofer or moron, but spanner just seemed appropriate.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I know what it's like to work in hospitality though and people like the bigot you're fawning over are absolutely horrible people to work for.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,450 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Its an employees market over here in Ireland nowadays. Horrible bosses don't be long losing staff, he's still going 20 years later. Must be a miracle!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Without going into detail regarding something in work, I was curious as to how far back the Italian authorities go when issuing citizenship based on ancestry, as many Brazilians you meet in Ireland have Italian passports.

    I was surprised to learn that Italy had, until a month or so ago, allowed individuals to apply for citizenship if they could trace their lineage back to an ancestor born after 1861. This policy meant that many people - particularly from Brazil, where an estimated 30 million people have Italian ancestry - were able to obtain Italian passports, granting them the right to live and work anywhere in the EU, incl Ireland.

    However, Italy has now tightened the requirements due to a surge in application from around the world, especially from South America. Under the new rules, only those with an Italian parent or grandparent are eligible to apply for citizenship. This change will significantly reduce the number of people being granted Italian citizenship - and potentially, the number of Brazilians moving to countries like Ireland.

    Interestingly, it's something Ireland is much stricter on - we only allow those who can claim Irish decent back to a grandparent, and maybe in some circumstances, a great-grandparent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Absolute far-left scaremongering. MNCs don't give two hoots whether the migrant worker is a houseowner or a renter. They just want them in the door at 9am or whatever and do their job.



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