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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,115 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's not. The overwhelming majority is common sense. The fact of the matter is that most people who use this place will have very limited, if any interaction with the site's moderators and even less with CMods and Admins.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Why are you bringing up sanctions from over 8 months ago though?

    To show that sometimes mods get it wrong, and sometimes it can be sorted by a quick PM, other times it might take going through dispute resolution.

    But that doesn't happen any more



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,798 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    So you haven't read the updated forum rules then I presume. Specifically rule 4 regarding PMing mods:

    Warnings issued in the Current Affairs forum are no longer subject to the dispute resolution process until the 6th warning/one month forum ban stage. You can PM a mod to discuss the sanction but anything prior to the 6th warning is not subject to the DRP process.

    Mods agreed the previous phrasing of this was incorrect as we do discuss sanctions with posters, as long as they are civil with us (which happens less than you would think).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    It's impossible to know what innocuous post that could fall foul of these rules

    It's not

    I said at the time in the last thread that the post that earned me a ban was in a string of posts that all could have been hit with bans if mine warranted one, it comes down to first who is reporting the posts, and then who is reading the reports



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,115 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No, it doesn't. It comes down to what's in the posts.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    So why was mine the only one that was actioned, and why was it actioned at all given it was very borderline (I'd argue nowhere near the borderline, but whatever)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,115 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No idea. I'm not trawling through posts almost a year old to find out either.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I'll tell you why so. Because a poster was baiting for someone to break the rules, and must have been reporting any response he got.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,361 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Personally iv had two warnings overturned via PM since the changes.

    In my experience some Mods are very reasonable and open to a discussion by PM.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    like with anything it’s how you approach it

    Starting any attempt at resolution with YOU LITTLE CNUT prob won’t get you far.
    when someone thinks they are in the right they can be become very belligerent especially when they think you’re “out to get them” which appears to be 90% of posters on boards.

    That said this rule is draconian, over the top and shout be thrown out of a top floor window along with whoever first suggested it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,361 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    It's a mix of how you approach it and how a mod is willing to approach it.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 7,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    A question if I may, because your point is kind of a bear bug of mine:

    If you think that someone tries to bait you, why would you bite the bait? If you think you're baited, it's possible that you are already annoyed/irritated and more likely to post something questionable.

    I appreciate that it's a discussion forum, but I don't understand why people would put themselves in such situations.

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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,761 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    You have no access to reports so you have no idea what is reported or who reports them. You also don't know what percentage of reported posts are not actioned by moderators because they don't actually breach any rule. You don't know who has been told to stop abusing the report function because they simply report posts or posters that they just don't like or agree with.

    Not all reported posts are actioned. Not all actioned posts are reported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    It didn't occur to me that I might have been baited at the time, but I thought I did a pretty good job of staying within the rules anyway

    Looking at the post, I can't think of any reason anyone else would have reported it.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,880 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    For some context, a user recently reported a post for X reason. The user in question happens to be a moderator on another forum, so I contacted a senior moderator for their thoughts just in case I was getting things wrong.

    The moderator in question agreed with my initial assessment, and we took the appropriate action. This is something we do often, and happens behind the scenes. We see every reported post. Personally, I always try to thank those who have reported posts because without that cooperation, this place would be an Irish 4chan. In the case above, it was a moderator who believed there was enough reason to report, but neither the moderator I went to nor myself felt the same way. It’s more or less your situation except everyone involved were moderators yet had a disagreement which was eventually resolved.

    The flowchart remains the same: User reports post, mod sees reported post, mod reviews the issue after gathering enough evidence to either warn, infract, ban, etc. Alternatively, mod doesn’t believe that any action is necessary, and most times will leave a note against the reported posts forum with their decision, but this note is only visible to moderators.

    Finally, not all forums attract the same numbers. Lots have a high turnover and others are only getting a post or two per month. For this reason, some mods simply don’t have the time to leave notes following a report. If you want to know why a post of yours was worthy of a sanction, the best and quickest way is via PM. The more you know about a given post, the easier it is to explain why, on the surface, no action was taken. And if you still don’t agree, you can always take it to Dispute Resolution.

    The TL;DR here is that (apart from obvious trolls) most people report in good faith, believing their view to be correct. On occasion, the odd mod might report a post believing a report is warranted, yet on investigation, the reported post was found to be acceptable.

    I hope the above is helpful in some way.

    -Shield



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Is it time to put up a warning in the forum explaining that the content will be a little “courser” than the rest of the site and that serious discussion can be found in the Politics forum?

    I thought that was a given being kind of the whole point of "IMHO" - you'd expect a less serious/more personal opinion level of debate compared to the Politics forum. "Have a deep thought that's not quite lighthearted enough for After Hours? But not debate-worthy enough for the Politics Forum?"

    But in practice, you have people posting honest opinions getting banned for posting anecdotes or being uncivil.

    What really grinds my gears is when a discussion is suddenly moved for no apparent reason from the Politics forum to the Current Affairs forum.

    This happened recently with the formation of next government threads and Verona Murphy threads. Both burning political issues of the day.

    It's hard to fathom why these were deemed off topic for the Politics forum, and then of course the CA charter applied with all its idiosyncracies, and inevitably threads attracted posters whining that posts in CA were too political, and there was no point in disputing that as you'd wind up with a ban.

    At this stage it would just be easier to can the current affairs forum entirely. The new rules, whilst undoubtedly conceived with the best intentions, are inconsistent to the point of being incomprehensible, and are demonstrably not working for either poster or mods.

    Or just don't move threads into it from other forums. Let us discuss politics in the politics forum!

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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,210 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    Time to bring this one to a halt.

    As is so often the case, yet another Feedback thread has inevitably gone wildly off topic with elements of interpersonal bickering as a bonus. A quick check of the last few pages shows something close to 120 off-topic posts, so whatever value this originally had is long gone.

    If anyone wants to raise an issue about the handling of trans related issues, then start a new thread on that. That's not what this one is for, so this is being closed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,861 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    It's very frustrating to see that the 'Very quiet in here' thread was closed.

    Because of pages of posts on language around trans people, the mod said 'That's not what this one is for, so this is being closed'. Correct - that's not what the thread was for, so why not stop posters derailing it and let it get back to its original purpose.

    It's baffling as to why that action was taken, instead of simply telling posters to stop debating the trans issue and keep it for feedback about the site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    There's always an excuse to close feedback threads, the fact it took them so long to close that one is what was actually surprising.

    Usual method of moderation; oh this thread has too many "off topic" posts, so it's not worth our while actually moderating it, so into the bin it goes.

    Instead, tackle the posters who are insisting on making it all about themselves, bin the posters off, and let the normal posters who aren't interested in the hobby of the off-topic posters continue to do what they'd be doing.

    That would be too sensible.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips at


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,210 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    The original thread had a pretty vague and open ended basis. In the nearly two months it's been open most of that discussion has been centred on the CA rules, and that discussion has achieved changes, the CA rules have been lessened allowing for more appeals. There's already been multiple instances of off-topic posts removed to keep it on thread, but posts couldn't help themselves.

    Other than that there's been nothing on-topic in there for 10 days plus. The thread had been mostly abandoned for a solid week with no posts. It only came back to life with the trans issues stuff. So it's now thoroughly derailed in it's current state. If I delete the off-topic posts then of course someone will complain about censored/persecuted etc.

    That said though, I've taken the time to go through all the trans posts, and they seem to be civil and are a consistent block, so I'll separate them out into their own thread and let it continue.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips at


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,210 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    The trans issues posts, all 135, are now in a new separate thread:

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips at


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,210 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    People want to continue both the original topic of this and the trans issues, so the trans issues posts are now in a new thread of their own:

    And while I think this original thread seems to have run it's course, I'll re-open it now that the off-topic posts are moved out if anyone still has anything to add.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭hometruths


    It looks like over a weeks worth of posts have been deleted. I made a post yesterday with feedback about political threads in Politics forum being moved to CA forum. That has been deleted.

    Not sure why or how that was deemed off topic, therein lies the problem. Second time it has happened on this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,210 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I beg to differ that my post was "off topic".

    Its purpose was to raise the attention of the CA mods and Admin team to an issue I have seen, and not to spark the debate that followed. I went to some pains to explain that several times. I understood that is what feedback threads are supposed to be for.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips at


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,252 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I think the point you raised was fair enough, but, like it or not, the thread became totally monstered with people debating all things trans terminology related. And it just became a trans discussion thread by proxy - it was a bit much to wade through IMO and it was clearly just going to keep going and going and going...

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips at


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,368 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I don't think this thread should be closed

    I think maybe rename general site feedback and sticky it

    It is good to hear posters issues and also hear from mods, both opinions, a mod in another forum can sometimes offer an idea for another forum etc.,

    Yes it can get derailed but I think overall it has been a good helpful insightful thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,816 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    One issue that could be dealt with is the constant aggro around the validity of links or general information shared in CA.

    I saw one response to shared information this evening that was just about the validity of the information shared and added nothing to the conversation.

    Just a quick post to say the information wasn't good enough. If that's all you've got to offer don't bother sharing that opinion, unless you have something worthwhile to say in tandem with it.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Agreed. And that was allowed to happen instead of ….. I don't know…. the mods moderating?

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips at


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