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Finishing cattle - shed flooring

  • 25-05-2025 10:36PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭


    We've stated finishing a few cattle here and at the minute there have been a few instances of lameness as they are on concrete slats.

    What is the best type of flooring for finishing stock? Rubber mats might be the easiest for me, but cleanliness would be an issue. Straw isn't cheap - especially over the entire finishing period. Maybe slat mats.

    So what type of flooring do everyone here who finishes cattle use and is there one that is better then the rest?

    Is there anything else I need to consider having in this area?

    Thanks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,197 ✭✭✭148multi


    Bedded won't be beaten, you also have milled peat and rushes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭White Clover


    I'd be considering the diet. Have been finishing cattle here for years on concrete slats and I can't remember when we last had a lame animal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    and breed of cattle. Likes of Belgium blues and simm are softer on the feet than others



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Silage plus 16% blend. Adding some molasses into the diet now too. Probably should give them straw more frequently.

    No diet feeder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,197 ✭✭✭148multi


    Are they bulls



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Finish bulls here. All sheds have Easyfix rubber slat mats. Injury’s and lameness way down since we started installing them.
    Wouldn't worry about cleanliness, keep them fairly tight and the diet right and that’ll do them.
    Straw is a disaster if you are finishing them in numbers. Just too dear and labour intensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    I have rubber mats from unused byres that I was going to put down for them as an interim take until I figure out whether to extend the tank and slats or stick with a solid floor setup.

    Adv with solid floor is it is beside handling area for ease of weighing etc. Tank extension would give more storage and allow removal of central mixing point which is a useless at staying unblocked and I'm not sure if it can be matted.

    Yes, straw would be a costly method to bed then and probably unfeasible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Bedding is away to expensive to be used for finishing cattle. Straw is 30+/ round bale accross most of the country, milled peat is no longer legally available, woodchip and rushes are about the only option. Hard to beat slats and mats.

    I be considering diet as well.

    You also need preventive treatment for acidosis. You need to feed a buffer if its not already in the ration. Limestone flour or bread soda and a rumen stabiliser like Uu-Max from Agriking, another option is a product called Optigest. It has the ph balancer and the stabiliser all in one. You may already have similar innthecration just check.

    Another fact with bulls is to prevent them rising on each other. Electric fence over head diets the lead there pencils.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    I was thinking about acidosis a while back. Will need to confirm with the mill. Getting about 7kg daily.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,189 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Are you dividing that into two meals? I found with straw bedding after about the first fortnight in I used to bed them only every second day and it worked fine which saved on costs. I only have one shed that requires straw and the cost per head was c.55e. Which wasn't bad I finished cattle in that shed. The bales were 35e to buy. I also confined the bedding to a certain area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Yes. Split over morning and evening.

    I've had 2 go lame on the slats. To be fair I think they might have been a bit tight and twisted or got hoof caught on slat. It knocks them back so just feeling for setups for next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭Aly Daly


    There is no comparison to finishing cattle on straw versus slats,with a slated shed you do not have a workable area when the animals are out or you retire from livestock,cattle are obviously much more content & there is no arguing that, & the obvious weight gain,cleanliness,lameness,injury reduction etc.

    Scrapers at feeding barrier & straw lie back would be the real deal,what you will spend on straw you will get back in not digging a big hole,adg,usefullness of shed,etc.

    No big deal blowing straw & of course you have the fym,we fed in a passage out in the yard & gave it a scrape with a tidy tractor every morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    What is ideal and financially viable are two different things. Slats with rubber mats are the most viable way of finishing cattle. You need twice the floor for straw bedded compared to slats. What exactly will you need sheds for during the summer. You will need to remove straw bedding and stack. Slats have virtually no running costs. Straw is definitely not viable outside of tillage areas, and even in tillage area its hardly costs effective if you are buying it in.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Have to disagree. Grand if you’ve only a few but if you’re dealing with numbers and buying your straw it wouldn’t work.

    Would 2 bales of straw be enough for 1 animal for 100 days to finish? At €30 a bale.
    Remember it couldn’t be got in 23. Also you need twice the space in a straw bedded shed as you would in a slatted shed.
    Trials carried out by teagasc have shown that there is no difference in liveweight gain between rubber matted slats and straw bedding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭Aly Daly


    I have a near neighbour that got out of cattle at retirement & rented out his sheds for camper van & boat storage in a couple of the sheds & generator storage in the other,ideal im sure he feels,one of the largest finishers in the south east circa 2k cattle finished per anum beds on straw,concrete at feeding barrier,he will still have viable sheds to compliment his existing company when he exits cattle which I believe is imminent,what would he do with 3 acres of slats?

    I think your irrefutable statement may have a few holes in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭Aly Daly


    We used 8 bales a week for 42 400/500 kg bullocks & i never had a problem sourcing + delivery using forward purchasing in an arable area,there is a capital cost naturally to adding rubber to slats which I presume is not cheap given that nothing is,I had ample sheds with concrete floors if I had dug out for slats then later put on rubber that is burning up alot of straw to provide a crap area for my cattle to lie down & shuffle around,I am aware there is a grant for slatted units,& then you do not have a shed that can be used for anything other than cattle housing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭Tibulus


    Letting out slatted sheds is good business, land making substantially more with slatted sheds included than without.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭Aly Daly


    That Is true in an area where commercial storage letting is not common,I mean to say versus a standard concrete floor which would be suitable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭White Clover


    No problem parking camper vans in the majority of slatted sheds.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭Aly Daly


    According to the HSA they should not be subject to any vehicular traffic whatsoever but sure what could go wrong,I don't care if you tip up a load of corn in there,I'd say if a fella has a shed to finish a few cattle I'd throw them in a bale of barley straw & let them lay down& eat it & that's all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Because you are talking about twice the area for strawVslatted, the sheds will end up costing virtually same. At present there is 60% grant for tanks and write downnover is 3 years. Mats are not that expensive 2 years straw would cover the cost of putting mats in a pen. Spreading slurry is cheaper than spreading dung.

    If you are starting from scratch slats are a no brainer. Big difference between 4-500kg stores on a mainly silage diet and 6-700 kg finishing cattle on silage and eating 6-8 kgs of ration. Dung output per sq meter in the area will double. Yes the dung is a valuable resource however it needs to be allowed to break down. If you need to clean out the shed ( an issue where winters are longer due to rainfall) you need a dungstead.

    8 bales per week for 42 cattle is approx 137 bales for a 120 day winter which is a short winter on most farms. At 35/ bale it's 4800. That would put mats on two 20' bay pens which will hold 30+ of those 4-500 kg stores.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭Aly Daly


    Your points are well made however given that the shed is not suitable for any use other than housing cattle & that is a real issue which you seem to be ignoring it is my opinion a straw bed is superior & would be mine & the animals preference ,I hazard a guess that funky monkey will not be horrified if someone gives an alternative opinion for him/her to contemplate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭White Clover


    I think you are over estimating the amount of campervans and boats in the country! I can count 4 campervans in my own parish and zero boats. Be handy enough house them!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭Aly Daly


    Holy God this is unreal,maybe you are living inland in a bad tourist area,I think we will leave it at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I am to an extent ignoring a secondary use for a shed just like you are ignoring the secondary costs. What use you may or may not have for a shed in 20-30 years time should have limited impact on the decision of the shed at present.

    You are ignoring the cost implications you presumed that a slatted shed was deaer than a strawbedded when in fact it no dearer. Straw adds costs and work and if you have to put in a dungstead it's away more expensive.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,407 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Any idea how much per bay you’d pay to hire a slatted shed for 4 months of the winter?

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Would not have it offhand. There is a good few considerations, who gets the slurry, has it you be spread size of pens. However there is always significant demand for slatted units

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Finishing Cattle will do better on straw bed, but the time and effort required for same just doesn't compensate for this. Plus if you have to pay for transporting straw down the country then it gets expensive. As outlined above twice the area needed for straw bed

    Just my take on it but who the f**k would want fellas coming into their yard with camper vans or using their sheds for storage in rural areas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭grass10


    By any chance are you trying to find a market for straw or have you sat a lot of extra corn this year and with no straw chopping scheme you are hoping to convince lads to straw bed cattle



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