Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I like to keep an eye on the Arab world and its view of the conflict. As many of you will have seen, I've questioned their support for the people of Gaza. They claim to stand with them, but in reality, they've done very little. Actions speak louder than words, after all. It also seems that Gaza isn't a high priority for the movers and shakers in Ramallah either.

Yes, we all know what genocide is.

And correct. What you described isn't genocide because what you described is a completely made up fairytale that has absolutely no relationship to what is happening.

Israel are blocking aid to millions in Gaza, not Hamas. This is being described (in watered down terms) in our media, and by politicians around Europe. Israel's own politicians speak openly about it.

What you are saying makes absolutely no sense, but please explain your logic to posters here.

Again, who are these media monitors? Can you give us some examples of this dramatic shift in editorial tone?

There is a very good reason for this… They are (for the most part) authoritarian type governments that are terrified of Israel.

Arab countries have never done well in wars, (bar Turkey and Iraq under Saddam and even that is pushing it). Their armies are geared towards keeping the locals in line as opposed to any serious offensive or defensive operations.

If they took action in Gaza, Israel will invade and there is nothing they can do to stop them. No one has forgotten what happened in 1967.

Sure Saudi Arabia wouldn't even take action in Yemen.

Three cheers for Israel 👏

As someone who frequently checks out mainstream media, I can confirm that they are currently focusing on the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza and the reaction of political leaders to recent events (e.g. uk pause on Israeli trade deal, EU review of Israeli trade deal, lack of aid entering Gaza, continuing bombing if Gaza and starvation of Palestinians, US statement - "not on our watch"). Equally noticeable are statements from israeli opposition leaders and current/former military leaders against the current campaign.

All the above has been regularly posted here with links. Anyone reading this thread and following the links will undoubtedly be aware of the shift in tone. Except you of course.

what you described is not what is happening. It’s a narrative you are trying to spin.

Firstly, I've responded to more than my fair share of posts since the start of the conflict, countering misinformation spread by pro-Palestinian posters - see my previous comments on Israel being under attack from Hamas and its allies - on this forum. If you repost the two questions, I’ll happily answer them. I’ve probably already addressed them multiple times.

Last week, a pro-Palestinian poster told me that Israel should stop bombing Gaza and use tanks and guns instead. This week, some of you want it the other way around? Maybe have a conversation among yourselves and decide what you actually want. And before anyone suggests it—leaving Gaza with Hamas in power and the hostages still captive, effectively giving Hamas a victory—is not an option.

I don’t have a crystal ball, so I can't predict what will happen in Gaza once the IDF takes control. A lot of people in Israel are asking that very question. They IDF can't stay in Gaza permanently. That isn't viable. Personally, I’d support the deployment of an international force in the region. Once that’s in place, I’d like to hear directly from the people of Gaza about what they want for their future. I'd assume many of you would prefer Israel to have as little involvement in Gaza and Palestinian affairs as possible. With that in mind, I believe wealthy nations that are strong supporters of Palestine should take the lead in rebuilding and financing the rebuild of Gaza.

As for me—as I’ve said from day one on this thread—I work for a U.S. company with strong ties to both Ireland and Israel. I’ve visited Tel Aviv on many occasions and have Israeli friends. That’s my personal connection to Israel. In addition to that, I oppose terrorist organizations like Hamas—not only because of their actions, but because of how they treat women and what they stand for.

What shift in tone? It's been anti-Israel since mid to late October 2023. It's been anti-Israel since October 7th in Ireland.

Agreed - talk and threats of action but nothing concrete as of yet. There is always hope though (no pun intended).

There has been a clear shift in tone since the beginning of March when Israel, after reneging on the cease-fire deal, recommenced its Genocide.

No-one has been directly anti-Israel - disregarding those who support/justify the Israeli campaign, everyone else is simply anti war crimes and anti genocide.

That you see it as anti-Israel is your opinion. Many others differ.

With Hamas no longer able to control the flow of aid in and out of Gaza,

Hamas do not control the flow of aid. Israel does.

Aid is passed onto the humanitarian organisations who then distribute it carefully. A small amount (presumably food) has been reportedly stolen by Hamas and some has been looted by vigilante groups (some have been executed by Hamas).

No-one opposes progress - 11 weeks of zero aid entering Gaza is zero progress. That is what people oppose.

Gas that you're questioning the "morality" of these people - perhaps question the morality of the IDF and the Israeli Govt. instead.

The IDF said so...

Are you being disingenous or are you just being naive Taratee? I ask because given their history of lying why should we accept at face value what the IDF says. I see you are also still persisting with this childish narrative that criticism of Israel is tantamount to supporting Hamas. It isn't but i suppose you need to frame it this way rather than face the truth that you routinely excuse war crimes. Even an ex Israeli defense minister has criticised what's going on in Gaza. Is he now a Hamas supporter?

So either:

1. Continue genocide by bombs.
2. Stop genocide by bombs but continue with tanks and guns.
3. Stop the genocide.

I am very very disturbed to read that the only one you say is "not an option" is number 3.

If you really believe that, and I know a lot of people are telling you what to believe but, why do you think that Israel drops leaflets and sends texts to an area warning them before it is hit? Why did Israel allow any food or aid in to an enemy area during war? Israel gives so much warning that they have turned up to find cages and chains where hostages appear to have been kept but the Israeli warnings gave Hamas time to escape with the hostages.

Did the Allies warn German cities before bombing them and killing millions of German civilians? Is a Ukraine expected to feed Russia during the war? Why do you hold Israel to a different standard than everyone else in every other war in history? It's war (who started the war?) a war that could be ended any day if they just gave back the hostages. But Syria and Qatar and Iran do not want to live in peace. Why are the Jews treated differently?

Imagine if a global multi-million dollar campaign funded by Qatar and Iran and co, who publicly aimed for the destruction of Israel (and what will they do with all Jews there, that is all that this is really about, everything else is maskirovka). They know after all their previous failed wars that they could not defeat Israel militarily so instead aimed to do so by convincing you that Israel was happily killing women and children for no good reason? Would you believe it? Even though you know it is not really the full story, is it? Could you be so easily fooled just by constant imagery of Hamas' human shields?

Hamas publicly admitted to wanting maximum civilian casualties, Israel clearly does everything within war reasoning to minimise it. Have you ever even looked at the other side of the equation? Have your ever been to the region? I know most Irish people here clearly have not, to have been so really tricked. There is only one side that wants to live in peace, obviously, and one side that has started every single war there.

How might they start such a campaign to fool you by using your emotions against you begin? It was that easy.