Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I,d never thought i.d live to see a genocide carried out by .a western country with the full support of an American president I think the IDF is killing 1000s of civilians to force Hamas to surrender and make a permanent peace deal

Unfortunately, all the evidence points to Israel wanting to cleanse Gaza of Palestinians and annex the strip.

It's long past any hope of a Hamas surrender ending this war. As any kind of coherent, organised fighting force, Hamas are a busted flush. Essentially, they have been for well over a year now. And that's a good thing.

That Israel continues the onslaught and is in full control of 80% of Gaza points to their end game. If they had their way, thousands upon thousands of Palestinians would be dying of starvation today. With so little aid getting in, it'll just be hundreds and hundreds.

Israel doesn't care about the Palestinians, the hostages or what moral humane people think. They will continue their Genocide.

Nor a 'democracy'. It's a psychopathic basket case of a nation - even several respected Jewish and Israeli academics have alluded to this.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation that committed atrocities. They must be neutralised/disarmed/removed.

There is no resistance that can stop this Genocide. Only severe external political/economic pressure. But if that fails, only an equal but opposite force. If that is unpalatable, this will end in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands.

Clearly, the tipping point of "enough" has not been reached yet.

This video was taken on 30th April 2025.

It's a little girl who is asked for what she wants.

The problem with this is Netanyahu and hard-line Israelis would push Jewish people in the US and UK to frame such an event as antisemitic for some reason or another.

Those singers could potentially put their careers on the line if that opinion was to then take hold.

It would of course be the right thing to do, but not everyone is willing to do something like that if you think it may end your career.

And what about the gazan people who are protesting against hamas and want them removed, and who are getting tortured and murdered for it? That's perfectly fine and not the actions of a terrorist organisation?

Interesting post, "Hamas are the Palestinian people" gives legitimacy to the israeli campaign. Most western politics must have the same view given the lack of effort other than rhetoric so far to stop Israel. Hamas certainly won't stop it, just cause its continuance. But I reckon Hamas care more for an ideology than the lives of Palestinians they represent.

An article from the guardian during the ceasefire. Interesting reading, just a snippet of gazan opinion and attitudes. Just over half would like to see the dissolution of Israel wit an Islamic Palestinian state the preffered solution for the whole region. Deep division there, so I can't see a peaceful solution emerging. Israel are going for broke now I feel, they're going to take Gaza or at least total control of it.

I didn't say there was. I responded to a post that if taken literally could actually be seen as giving it legitimacy.

And yes, apart from rhetoric, what has anyone done to stop this Israeli onslaught?

I called it interesting because it seemingly legitimised hamas and their right to represent gaza and fight the Israelis. Most have condemned hamas and called them terrorists and not representative of Gazans generally.

Even Chancellor Merz in Germany has told Deutsche Welle he doesn't know what the hell the Israelis are up to, why they are bombarding Gaza and massacring civilians on a daily basis. There doesn't seem to be any obvious military objective (bar the idea that they are ethnically cleansing Gaza…..which he probably can't say in public just yet).

Significant though that even Germany are now criticising the regime.

The ground offensive in Gaza—the phase of real, intense fighting—is expected to begin any day now. The IDF estimates that it will control 75% of Gaza within two months. This would deal a significant blow to Hamas and its supporters, while also allowing innocent civilians in Gaza to receive the humanitarian aid they so desperately need.

With Hamas no longer able to control the flow of aid in and out of Gaza, the situation on the ground could dramatically improve. One must seriously question the morality of anyone who opposes this progress.

Who exactly are these observers? The media in the West have been overwhelmingly pro-Palestinian and covertly pro-Hamas since the start of the war.

You think the people who have bombed the people of Gaza for the last 12 months and who enforce an apartheid type system in areas where Palestinians and Israelis both live, are going to "Improve" the situation on the ground?

are you actually supporting genocide?