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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Plenty of links have been posted here over the weekend, including how only 7% of 25-39yr olds own a house or how Irish people make up the minority at new developments launches. Its not a stretch to see how this will go for Irish property rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭nachouser


    It's about 39% by age 32 going by the 2022 census. The Irish Times is paywalled, so not sure what reference they're using. Personal anecdotes aside, I seriously doubt (m)any on this thread bought a gaff at 25.

    At 25, you're about 3 years out of college. By 32 you're about 10 years out. It's pretty obvious that the numbers were juked to make a good headline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    So you don't have a link and it's an extrapolation based on guesswork.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It was your specific claim about Irish being in the minority . There has been no such link nor proof to that among other statements from you today .

    If that is your opinion fair enough but it is not backed up by anything except bias and iIl founded theories.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Who is going round taking a register of everyone's nationality at viewings?

    Where can we view this register?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    The present discussion was based on a pretty poor news clip of a group of people who were " non nationals " in a queue to buy houses in another oversubscribed housing estate.

    Its entirely possible that these people have been renting and working here for years ..

    or that they are Irish citizens first and second generation even ..

    or that they did not in fact succeed in buying any property ...

    or that most of the estate was already sold out before the viewing , which is let's face it , the usual story .

    But it's very easy to get upset over these videos clips apparently as evidenced by the continuing discussion about it .

    I am upset by the governments poor performance over the last decade in building enough houses to keep up with demand and allowing rents to increase to exorbitant levels .

    Not sure why people always want to blame non nationals when the government are allowed off scot-free afaics .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭nachouser


    It's about 39% by age 32 going by the 2022 census. The Irish Times is paywalled, so not sure what reference they're using. Personal anecdotes aside, I seriously doubt (m)any on this thread bought a gaff at 25.

    At 25, you're about 3 years out of college. By 32 you're about 10 years out. It's pretty obvious that the numbers were juked to make a good headline.

    The 7% is not a thing.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    We should be trying to fix the current problems without making new ones, how about that?


    Our property sector is a joke. We simply aren’t building enough. We do not punish vacancy, dereliction or land hoarding enough.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    We need to discourage the type of rhetoric being pushed by Chinese investment firms as outlined in this article from last week also... https://extra.ie/2025/05/19/property/chinese-investors-housing-crisis

    The jist being that a firm based in China is encouraging investors there to buy properties here because of their ever increasing value due to the lack of stock caused by the housing crisis.

    Chinese buyers have garnered a reputation in recent years particularly in South Dublin for snapping up properties after escalating bidding wars that people can't keep pace with.

    We need to be pragmatic about this crisis and penalise greedy people looking to capitalise on it, regardless of where they're from.

    It requires a level of dedication to solving the problem that the government nor any of the supposed opposition parties have any stomach to engage in.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    For a country with our debt And a new recession possible at any moment it could be a huge mistake to start building a massive number of properties. It would be far safer to reduce the demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Thought the whole idea of these mncs was employment for our own people. Not an nevering ending cycle of people arriving here.

    The government are way too focused on expanding the economy at all costs.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    It’s both actually. We also have a demographic issue. We don’t have enough young people to pay our pensions.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    The pensions are a ticking time bomb, particularly public but immigration isn't going to fix that. Probably deserved of a thread on its own. But its also more reason to give hope to our youth and encourage them to have more children and earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Well not being able to start a family due to housing a large never ending foreign workforce wont help either.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    How do you encourage them to have more kids earlier?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Not being forced to live with your parents or pay crippling rents would be a good start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Make it so housing is more attainable and give them hope and faith in a future in Ireland. It requires far more detailed response than is allowed in this thread, but bringing it back to immigration, it comes back to putting controls on who is allowed buy property and putting mechanisms in place to allow greater deportations.

    Along with far more spending on energy, water and transport infrastructure as well as increased building. But above all, Ireland needs to be an affordable and desirable place to live, now and into the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Prioritize them for housing so they can raise a family.

    Implementing existing laws such as kicking out long term wasters from the EU who can't support themselves.

    Create new rules like Denmark to reduce the attraction to come here.

    Create a new law like Spain and others to tax non Irish more on housing.

    All can be done without a huge amount of effort.

    Nobody wants to raise a child in their childhood bedroom, the parents or grandparents.

    Subsidize childcare costs so people can afford to work and have children.

    Reducing the money we waste on others can be used to free up housing for Irish people and money to provide cheaper childcare.

    Both would do wonders for increasing the birth rate.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    How? How do you deal with NIMBYs? Who builds the houses? Who pays for the materials, the contractors and all the other associated costs? How do you tell people they're going into negative equity?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    You buy a house to live in not to profit off of, negative equity is not a big deal and should be completely dismissed as a legitimate concern, they still have to make the same mortgage repayment each month based on what they paid initially.

    This is the problem with the housing market for the last 50 years people have assumed that they have the right to make a big profit off their house by the value of houses increasing over time rather than it just being a place to have a secure home for your life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    A lot of people on this thread appear to have Ned Flanders Parents attitude towards fixing issues regarding immigration and housing etc in this country.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    The same way the government are forcing asylum seekers into neighborhoods despite people protesting about it.

    NIKBIYSM, planning permission and the cost are of no concern to the government.

    So I don't see why they can't do the same for building houses for Irish people.

    The same way they tell people in these areas they are going into negative equity.

    Didn't we hear from people the joy that house prices wouldn't fall after a planned area for asylum seekers didn't go ahead recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Your reply seems to be ignoring the very obvious fact the housing developers will only build homes if they can make a profit.

    Unless you are suggesting that government build or finance the building of social houses.

    That developers are paid to produce houses and subsidised by the state. Which would seem a very socialist type thing to suggest in this thread

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Zico !


    Walk down the road Ireland is unrecognizable

    Mod Edit: Warned for trolling



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I'm all for social housing, housing shoudl be considered infrastructure and we should always have enough of it, it should be considered as essential as having enough water, electricity,roads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Common sense measures, that would be relatively uncontroversial and quite popular with the public. It really is obvious that our level of immigration is very high and that the housing situation will only get worse if it continues. I think it's only NGOs would be offended by the type of measures proposed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Where was the implication of anti semitism in his post at all??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    I would agree with you there.

    Unlikely that we are heading that direction with FF FG governments though.

    Again these ideas seem to align more with socialist thinking.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    This is genuinely delusional, society has moved on. I bought a house at 24 and have my first kid at 32. I had raves to go to.

    Ireland needs to be a despicable place to live and it is. If you can’t see that I can’t help you. Can it be improved, absolutely, but your pessimistic view is not based in reality.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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