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Liverpool car incident

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,394 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Two people with serious injuries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,100 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    27, including 4 children, taken to various hospitals in the area. 20 treated at the scene with minor injuries and did not need hospital treatment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,546 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Three adults and a child stuck under the car when the Fire Department got there. Bloody appalling stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    No deaths is brilliant news. A massive relief



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,649 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Intent is key. Was he trying to harm people?

    Premeditation. Did he go to the area with that intent?

    We don't know, and won't tonight. That footage of the car being attacked though, and someone opening his door to get at him (before anything happened) implies he was in fear of a mob and tried to get away. It could be one of those tragic situations where there was no intent to harm anyone but people got hurt. The driver is responsible for sure, but why did people attack him rather than try to help get him out of the area?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,322 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    27 people hospitalised - 2 serious including 1 child - no fatalaties - 20 people treated at the scene. Not terror related - appeal for calm and not to share footage or speculate.

    An awful event no matter the circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,844 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    27 in hospital, 3 serious injuries, 1 child

    4 injured kids



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭EmergencyExit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Has to be a minor miracle.

    Looks like the car shouldn't have been where it was to begin with, someone messed up and they're blessed there's no fatalities.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Media very quick to identify the ethnicity of the culprit here , wasn't the case in Southport tragedy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,981 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    But would you have been 100% sure of that if you had been at that funeral? At the very least they were definitely surveilling the crowd to identify people they wanted to pick up later. They were not just there innocently. And in the circumstances, it was a perfectly reasonable assumption that they were also intending to attack the crowd again, many of whom had been present when Stone had attacked three days before. They were already both traumatised and anxious about another attack.

    Remember, the only reason more people hadn't died in Stone's attack was because the crowd tackled and disarmed him. That was pretty bloody brave. But it also meant they didn't take much time to think about it. Second time round, there was (probably) no attack planned - but they couldn't know that. They reacted the same as they had done 3 days previously, but with added fury. I don't actually think they were wrong. Just mistaken.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Feels like a miracle given the footage of the incident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,811 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I don’t disagree here. As I said, circumstances led to the killings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,909 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Incredibly good news that there have been no fatalities.

    Whatever else happens regarding this awful incident, that alone is a bright spot.

    The tone of the news conference does seem to lean towards the Police treating this as a road rage incident. I will be very curious to see what charges the CPS direct given the swerve to the right into a crowd of pedestrians captured on video, versus the driver either staying on the left or stopping the vehicle prior to the swerve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭EmergencyExit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,100 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The police quickly quelled the right wing dis-information machine early on. The media were reporting what the police issued. It is the same police force from the Southport tragedy therefore I suspect they had an emergency communication plan in place for incidents such as this evenings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,811 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    if road rage as described, surely attempted murder a possible charge..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,546 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    You said the same thing earlier, nobody was biting then either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,649 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    'Road rage' as described by who? Merseyside police?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,981 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    If you drive into a crowd of people, and then change direction and do it again, you're trying to kill people. They didn't attack him for no reason - it was a happy crowd, not an angry mob.

    The earlier video shows him driving far too fast for the situation and beeping his horn at people for them to get out of the way. Now maybe he had a pressing reason for that, but if not, that alone is criminal. People hit his car because of his dangerous driving, and then he drove directly into the crowd.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,649 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    That probably has significance on a parallel planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,844 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Truly amazing no one died, really is a miracle .🙏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭Risoc


    A horrible cocktail of bad policing, angry road rage prick, football scobes attacking him, panic, more anger from the prick, moment of madness / attempted murder.


    a blessing there’s no fatalities. By September it’ll be a case against the police, victims treated as heroes and controversies where opposition fans chant the name of the driver as bants.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    State of mind is directly relevant, however. Both the specific criminal charge and the level of punishment are absolutely going to be determined by that issue.

    I am also reminded a bit of the Kenosha shootings. Some absolute idiot fired a round into the air behind Rittenhouse, and within three seconds of that, the latter had turned and fired. That may well have contributed to the "state of mind" matter for the jury which resulted in acquittal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    It truly is given the footage. Liverpool Football Club has seen too much tragedy as is.

    Feared the worst tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,648 ✭✭✭jacool


    I'll be relieved when all the point scoring about a completely unrelated event is put to bed and we can discuss tonight's horrific incident alone.

    There is footage of two people attacking the back of the car, after which the car goes into reverse for 5 metres or so. The police woman mentioned that there was a plan there for traffic control. I'm surmising that something went awry with that, sadly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Relax lad, juts highlighting the double standards by our so called biased/trusted media.

    Mod - warned for trolling

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭holliehobbie


    Two people seriously injured is not a miracle sadly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭head82


    If this act wasn't deliberate.. and I'm convinced it wasn't.. whoever is in charge of road traffic management in the Liverpool area at times of such large public events, has an awful lot to answer for.

    That official press conference reeked of damage limitation.



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