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The 2025 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    does winning the provincial take too much out of a team….mentally and physically ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,660 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Out of Louth maybe because of the nature of it, but out of the others no.

    It's just the draw that pitted good, well matched teams against each other.

    You would not be asking the question if Donegal beat Roscommon and Galway beat Monaghan without much fuss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    thought donegal looked very tired towards the end last night…Tyrone won all the kick outs in the last ten minutes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,370 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    How much of that is because Patton was missing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Geezer has built a fair strong panel to be fair to him. They are very well conditioned and extremely well coached. They don't have to many players with a huge x factor that are household names across the country. There team keeps changing every season, half the team that didn't won last year are no longer getting picked. They are going to take serious beating over the next few weeks. I'd expect them to take dublin next week in croker.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Id say mentally it is probably hard to get back up to the pitch of the provincial finals for a first round robin game in that space of time.

    But all 3 teams were unlucky too, they got very tough draws against v good teams with a point to prove.

    Kerry, the 1 provincial winner for whom the final would have taken nothing out of, got the easiest draw of the lot and didn't have to hit any heights to dispatch Roscommon. Although that is no good for them either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,370 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    The last line here is the correct one. 3/4 provinces are competitive, Munster is the exception with one football county surrounded by hurlers. Nonsense that the Munster runner up gets to play in Sam automatically, but this is the payoff to keep the provinces happy. Kerry again stroll through a Munster final while the other 3 winners have to battle through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭john9876


    I'd argue that Galway and Donegal will benefit a lot more from their defeats than Kerry will from their win over Roscommon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,404 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    A Provincial final would take as much out of the losers as the winners? Both have home advantage in Round 1. They get 2 weeks to prepare, which is better than a long lay off for the 3 and 4 seeds. I know that can be argued either way.

    None of the results could be described as major shocks, except Cavan beating Mayo. If any team is a lot stronger than the opposition, the question of kickouts becomes less important. The weaker team will not get many chances to shoot scores or wides, and thus create kickouts. Tactics can dictate that some teams will surrender possession from kickouts, but force the receiver to go wide of the arc, and away from midfield.

    Cavan have Donegal in Breffni, and Tyrone at a neutral ground. Interesting times ahead.

    Post edited by dxhound2005 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭overshoot


    Ulster is by far more attritional than the rest, by the end of next weekend Donegal will have played 7 Ulster counties in the championship. All of which qualified for the AI series. The currently weaker ones of Cavan and down have gone to provincial finalists mayo and Clare and won comfortably. Pretty likely that 6 of them will make it through the groups.

    wouldn’t say no to some provincial seeding to spread teams around in the groups, but I’m not sure it’s possible to an extent of more than the provincial winner plays teams from other provinces



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,897 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Cavan like a yearly upset and Mayo were this years. Their problem has been repeating the dose, maybe this is the year. But they face a wounded Donegal and re-emerging Tyrone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,404 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    If Mayo get one win, and Mayo and Cavan are the only two teams on 2 points, Mayo go out. It gets more complicated when more than two teams are level on points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,404 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    No good news in Mayo, Kevin McStay is in hospital. I hope he makes a quick recovery.

    https://www.midwestradio.ie/sports/kevin-mcstay-recovering-in-hospital-after-medical-episode/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    They might, but if this leads to them playing each other in a preliminary game only one will benefit from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 459 ✭✭Rain from the West


    Saw this on Facebook. Agree 100%. The way things are going the Football Championship will be nicknamed the “Invisible” Championship.

    IMG_2381.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,897 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Production standards on GAA+ are woeful. How in hell they cannot solve rain on the lens issue is baffling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,660 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    That's not a issue unique to GAA+, it also happens for other broadcasters.

    The thing is camera positions in GAA are usually temporary.

    On scaffolding above a stand or terrace, and without any "housing".

    Thus they are exposed to the elements.

    Maybe there is some sort of umbrella that can be fitted to the camera to keep lens rain free but if the rain is blowing in sideways on the lens there is little you can do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,897 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Not aware of it disrupting RTE or BBC coverage. Both games I bought yesterday were plagued by it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Mackinac


    To be fair the rain yesterday was atrocious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,404 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Outright betting odds Monday 26 May.

    Paddy Power. Kerry 23/10. Armagh, Donegal, Dublin, Tyrone 11/2. Galway 6/1. Monaghan 22/1. Louth 33/1. Cork, Derry, Meath 40/1. Mayo, Roscommon 50/1. Down 66/1. Cavan 100/1. Clare 500/1.

    Boyles. Kerry 9/4. Armagh 5/1. Dublin 11/2. Donegal, Galway, Tyrone 6/1. Mayo, Monaghan 25/1. Down 80/1. Cavan, Cork, Down, Louth, Meath, Roscommon 100/1. Clare 1000/1.

    Long odds on Cavan (home to Donegal) and Mayo (away to Tyrone) available if anyone thinks they would be worth a punt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,863 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    But Monaghan had beaten Louth comfortably in the league also, and Meath also - its hardly a shock result, albeit that I'd say Louth will be a little disappointed with their performance. Things have fallen nicely for Monaghan - stand a good chance of making a semi-final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Armagh's slightly better odds are justified. If they end up in a preliminary QF they cannot be paired with Donegal, and they would be expected to beat one of the 100/1 teams. Donegal could end up meeting Dublin or Galway and so one of these teams might not reach the QF, so Boylesports giving them a slightly better odds reflects the draw as much as any belief that there is a difference between the teams. If Dublin beat Armagh at the weekend then they are in the QFs and cannot meet Armagh or Galway, so it would then be the usual Dublin and Kerry as favourites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    Dublin winning 1 significant match being overestimated. Monaghan being underestimated. Likely top their group, scoring 1 23 in horrendous conditions against louth was really impressive. Every chance they'll make a semi final



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,404 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Monaghan were favourites to top their group anyway. Top seeds Galway and Donegal losing their home games is a mini disaster, with only two more games to repair the damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭Westernview


    A potential disaster for them and also for Mayo but it's actually great to see these losses in terms of opening up the competition. Teams will have to fight tooth and nail in the last 2 games. Should be some great contests ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,504 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    And yet they are changing the structure of the competition for next year. I don't agree with McGeeney on lot of things, but I agree with him saying changing the structure is madness now. They should leave well enough alone.

    Not much between a lot of the sides. And now we have this "jeopardy" that people were saying didn't exist last year.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Yes we have the jeopardy now and plenty of high scoring games. It's a shame to change it again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,404 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    We still need to watch out for the two pointers making some games appear to be very high scoring.

    In the League, Dublin managed just 11 scores against Armagh, 3 in the first half. But that did not detract from the excitement of a good contest. Bookies are making their upcoming game an even affair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    7/2 for mayo to beat Tyrone is great value….like the dubs the last day mayo will be out to prove a point.

    I expect a big response…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,660 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Because fractional odds are stupid I have converted them to decimal.

    Easy to calculate , (odds x stake) - stake = profit.

    2 is Even Money

    Paddy Power. Kerry 3.3. Armagh, Donegal, Dublin, Tyrone 6.5. Galway 7. Monaghan 23. Louth 34. Cork, Derry, Meath 41. Mayo, Roscommon 51. Down 67. Cavan 101. Clare 501.

    Boyles. Kerry 3.25. Armagh 6. Dublin 6.5. Donegal, Galway, Tyrone 7. Mayo, Monaghan 26. Down 81. Cavan, Cork, Down, Louth, Meath, Roscommon 101. Clare 1001.



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