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Meanwhile on the Roads...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    As stated, CCTV was used. Dashcam too I believe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,711 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    that's different as it's deliberately using a car as a murder weapon. People have been convicted here for that too:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/driver-who-deliberately-ran-down-man-with-car-found-guilty-of-murder-1.918931

    The Monaghan crash was due to extreme recklessness. If it had involved anything other than a car, it might have resulted in a manslaughter prosecution, but because the crime of Death by Dangerous Driving exists, the DPP will generally go for that as it's easier to get a conviction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭De Bhál


    61yrs of age he was, you almost (almost) give some leeway to 19 or 20yr olds speeding around and showing off as they have very little understanding of the consequences. He should have had a lot more cop on. I don't think 7yrs is enough for killing two people

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Yet another hit and run…

    Victims of Cork hit-and-run were members of local cycling club | Irish Independent

    Maybe it's just perception bias, but these kind of incidents seem to be much more common these days. Time was when the shame of leaving the scene would almost lead to public ostracization… it was one of those things - like punching an OAP - that you just didn't do. Almost a weekly occurrence now.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,578 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Def feels like its increased alright,
    People don't fear being caught and don't fear what will happen to them if they do drive away.

    We need mentatory sentences just for leaving scenes, that would be a start.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,901 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Next shiny tool incoming

    Police announced they'd ticketed 20 motorists for distracted driving after using a drone to zoom in and record them using their phones on May 7.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Good

    Was walking on Golf links road in bettystown earlier. 6 in a row on their phones driving along



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Why use a relatively inexpensive drone when you can buy a HGV and use that instead?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,203 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    From Reddit

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    https://www.reddit.com/r/Dublin/s/TNU3yb0jIQ



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,901 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Dublin City area, but it is a national issue

    School wardens .. have been physically assaulted, told they would be “sorted out” and had lollipop signs knocked from their hands by irate motorists. In one incident, a taxi driver kept moving through the crossing, even as children were trying to cross the road to get to school. “He roared at the school warden, threatened to come back tomorrow to get the warden and drove the car up to the warden so that it touched them.” https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/school-traffic-wardens-abused-assaulted-and-threatened-by-irate-drivers-and-cyclists/a14912738.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    How is it that hard to do anything about it. Can they not all start wearing body cams/lollipop cams?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,203 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    They should, but wouldn't you think there would be enough motivated parents around to deal with drivers like this, either by direct intervention or by recording and reporting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    3 separate incidents yesterday. And strikingly (though possibly beside the point) all female.

    Where's the commissioners reset on road safety? Where's the outrage?

    Still dopes all over the road on their phones. Still loads of L plates on their own. The level of attention being paid by many drivers just isn't good enough. And the level of road policing is non-existant (outside speed vans).

    Met an X5 on the wrong side of the road on a bend during the week. Hardly even acknowledged my existance. Had a taxi man so close that I felt the wind off his wing mirror.

    https://jrnl.ie/6714139



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    3 women killed in 24 hours. It's quite unbelievable isn't it, I mean if there was ANY other cause for that the world would quite rightly come to a halt, but, no, they're just road "accidents" and the world scrolls on and strolls on :(



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Quite shocking indeed. Two were walking, the other cycling. The roads are getting more unsafe for all, but especially pedestrians and cyclists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Cycling hasnt seen the same upward trend as pedestrians. After a reduction to 20ish we are now killing 40 plus pedestrians a year.

    Regional roads with no hard shoulder and no speed limit enforcement is a deadly combination.

    The biggest factor is the entitlement of drivers; the first reaction to a pedestrian on a high speed road with no hard shoulder should be braking. Braking gives the driver, pedestrian and any oncoming vehicle options.

    A minimal steering input seems to be the norm.

    As an aside no one fcuks with the lollipop lady outside my son's school. A lollipop man or woman should be treated the same as a Garda on the road.

    Countryside is currently alive with large tractors pulling all sorts of yokes by young fellas. There's always going to be fatalities with the existing regulations

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,108 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I'd love to know if the gardai were called at that incident with the taxi driver and school warden. If there ever was a scenario which called for an instant driving ban, that's gotta be on the list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    We must be due a councillor to come out with a call for mandatory hi box for pedestrians now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    https://www.reddit.com/r/irelandsshitedrivers/s/vurvi5mlnK

    This video clip makes for frightening viewing if you consider what could happen if a pedestrian or cyclist was using the hard shoulder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,901 ✭✭✭✭zell12




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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,543 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    I’ve given up cycling. It’s too dangerous and given the length of my commute (25km each way across Dublin) there’s a significant risk of injury every damn day. I stopped cycling late last year after being forced off the road by a driver turning into me and then blaming me for it. Three hours a day on buses is killing me.

    So I’m buying a second car to commute. I doubt I’m the only one giving up and contributing to the traffic.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,108 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that's a shame. what (roughly) was your start and end points? did you end up going through the city centre?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,280 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Provisional garda figures for the first three months:

    "They also said there are 130 road traffic collisions every day, 23 drivers are arrested every day for drink or drug driving while over 70,000 Fixed Charge Notices (FCNs) have been issued.

    More than 31,000 of those FCNs are for speeding, over 6,000 are for mobile phone use and 4,400 were issued to provisional or learner drivers."

    That's just the tiny proportion of detections but if 31/70k FCNs are for speeding what are the other 28k in relation to?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Presumably some are parking offences and no motor tax, insurance or NCT but can't imagine that being 28k in three months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I wonder what impact the (anecdotal) drop in number of kids cycling has to driver behaviour? My point really being, that if you have no real world experience of what its like to be a vulnerable road user (hate that term, but anyway), does this have an impact on your driving behaviour and attitude to road use/ other road users?

    How may young drivers today - aged 17 to mid 30s - have never experienced a close pass as a cyclist or a walker/ runner, simply because they've never cycled anywhere? How many of them have never experienced sharing the roads with cars/ buses and trucks? I've often thought that if any of the drivers who've done typical lazy driver things to me - close pass, left hooking, pulling out of junctions etc - had to spend a day on a bike it would radically change their behaviour.

    If you're a kid whose driven to school by your parents everyday, driven to sports/ extracurricular activities, driven to friends houses etc, and you graduate to driving aged 17/ 18… what are your perceptions of using the road going to be? Parents seem terrified to leave their children outside anymore, and I'd probably be the same now. In my parents estate where I grew up, I used to play outside on the (cul-de-sac) street - football, running, cycling. Now it's like an obstacle course with cars parked outside every single house, despite all of the houses having driveways. Houses now have at least 2 cars its seems, often more as kids live at home and cars become more affordable. Cars parked up on footpaths, grass verges. Just enough room for one car to pass up and down the street at a time. I'm paranoid anytime I drive over to visit that a kid is going to shoot out from behind a parked car. And then you have a real scarcity of kids on bikes outside, certainly on the roads.

    Which all kind of leaves a benign sense of disregard for anyone using the road who isn't driving a car. The amount of people who react with borderline shock when I say that I commute into the city centre by bike 2/ 3 days a week. I know that despite their apparent concern for my welfare there's a very good chance that that same sense of shock translates as disdain/ frustration when they see cyclists on the road. We just shouldn't really be there.

    Like everything bad on the roads, it doesn't come from a place of badness but apathy, laziness, entitlement and lack of awareness/ education.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,108 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2025/05/26/driving-bans-could-not-be-implemented-on-more-than-2250-disqualified-motorists/

    "The high number of motorists failing to present their licences is a long-term problem but, in a bid to rectify it, new regulations were introduced at the end of March requiring insurance companies to obtain driver numbers before providing cover.

    The rules aim to capture driver numbers of all motorists and involve linking three databases – from the department, Insurance Ireland and IMID. These have, however, yet to be integrated."



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I note that the Irish Road Haulage Association have called for a ban on tractors on our motorways as they pose a safety risk [link]. However, I raised an eyebrow at a comment by IRHA President when citing an example of the danger...

    A family in a car driving in heavy fog on the motorway at 120km/h could come across this tractor and have very little time to react. This is presenting a clear and present danger to other road users and is a serious tragedy waiting to happen,

    Can we therefore assume that the IRHA sees nothing wrong with driving at 120km/h in heavy fog?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    All true

    Volume of cars, size of cars and speed.

    The phone distraction is a huge factor for drivers imo



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    The IRHA rationale for this is seriously dubious. On RTE Radio 1 Drive Time, he gave an example of a truck driver not noticing a slow moving tractor ahead and coming up on it really fast. Then, having to take emergency action and possibly endangering other vehicles or, heavens above, having to over/undertake on the hard shoulder to avoid hitting the tractor.

    Surely this is the truck driver not paying attention and not reading the road ahead and adjusting speed to the picture they see ahead. They do not want to slow down and some even swim the lanes, pulling in, out, in rather than slow down, thus endangering other vehicles.

    While driving, I had one clown just this evening refuse to slow as I merged well ahead of them onto the Naas Road in heavy rain. The middle lane was busy, and I had traffic ahead of me but was still doing 70/80 and approaching the 80kmph stretch as well. I stayed in the left lane and matched the speed of the traffic ahead. The truck driver, rather than slow, drove right up to my rear bumper and flashed. I put hazards on. they beeped, flashed and beeped.

    Then for good measure, because they had to slow, they just pulled into middle lane in front of another oncoming vehicle and skimmed past me over the lane markings, in heavy rain giving me zero visibility from their spray, and honking the horn. Totally unacceptable driving..

    All they had to do, and shold have done, was gradually brake to match the speed of traffic ahead and allow me to merge without the bully tactics.

    I hope the farmers win and the IRHA members (truck drivers) get the long overdue 80kmph /100kmph restriction and mandatory drive in left /inner mst lane restrictions, just like they must do when driving on the continent. Reason: The danger they pose to other road users.

    I hate generalisations but a large cohort of truck driver are just bullys and very unprofessional/discourteous drivers.

    Post edited by Kaisr Sose on


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