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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭rgossip30




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Roma not doing a tap should be deported .Do you support Roma shop lifters and beggars ? . Ukranians not doing a tap should be returned if/when this war is over it is supposed to be temporary protection .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Benefits should also be cut. If you go lower then other EU countries they'll shift there and still be perfectly safe. But you'll save us a fortune and we're worse off financially then most EU countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Love the spin in that RTE article, although in fairness it’s probably a combination of poor research and deliberately vague soundbites from government department spokespeople.

    Ireland has opted out from using these databases for immigration checks.

    Opted out

    There is an internal database here, but information is not shared with EU, and Eurodac is only consulted after an alleged crime is committed.

    That RTE article makes it seem as though EU are holding CTA against us, and are excluding us from accessing and using these databases, and new visa system, because we are not a Schengen country.

    Sooo - why will Cyprus be implementing these border checks? They’re not a Schengen country, yet they have access to these systems? Granted they’ve signalled an intent to join Schengen but they are absolutely not as of now in Schengen - unless EU are taking their word for it, pinky promise, that they intend to be a member of Schengen?

    EU want all EU countries to implement these systems to make security in EU tighter.

    Why would they want to introduce measures to strengthen EU border security and think ‘oh well we’ll leave the back door open through that little country that’s easily accessible from outside EU and has a common travel arrangement with a nearby immigration hub’?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Maybe we should be asking what are the benefits to these asylum decisions, when refusals can just hang around to become chief murder suspects?

    Granting, refusing, deportation orders - it's all kite waving.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭BandyMandy


    Just when you think it couldn’t get any worse… with Ireland shut out of Schengen security databases, can’t check the backgrounds of those seeking asylum, leaving the country wide open to violent criminals and extremists who know they won’t be flagged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,008 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    You know what's funny about all this late last year we got this:

    The head of the Garda National Immigration Bureau has said that there is no such thing as "an unvetted migrant" to this country and that everyone coming to Ireland seeking international protection is fingerprinted and identified.

    Well we all knew he was talking out of his ass…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Phat Cat


    This is some impressive backpedaling by RTÉ. They've stop gaslighting and are now reporting actual news?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Will he be held accountable for his statement? A poor attempt at a joke!!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    And in light of this news the government will continue to expedite droves of migrants into the country rather than halting the influx until they get access to this vital data...

    What will it take for people to realise that the government absolutely despise Irish people and especially their own electorate. FG/FF will continue to punish us for spoiling the "FG Vs FF" charade they somehow managed to sustain for 90 years. Sickening behaviour from those who have the gall to pretend that they serve the country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    I've been following the who's buying/renting what market for a few years now c/o the site below - It gives a great breakdown on the figures, although individual countries in Europe/International are not named. You can view each quarter going back a good few years

    Q1 2025 sales

    Q 1 2025 sales.jpg

    Q1 2025 rental (NB: avg household salary €146k)

    Q 1 2025 rent.jpg

    And this link will take you to Q1 2023 where Irish buyers were just 35% and Irish renters were a massive 17%

    As I say, there are some great stats in there but not enough to definitively say what's going on exactly - While people's attention is rightly focused on the IPAS shambles, it would seem that there is a huge problem with legal immigration (primarily in the tech sector) happening in the background

    If you've seen the BBC's two part doc titled 'Immigration: How British Politics Failed', the similarities with what our lot are doing, are scary - It's geolocked but proof it's there

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0024q9z

    Will we see a two part doc on RTE called - 'Immigration: How Irish Politics Failed' - will we ****!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,008 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    When you see videos/pictures of long queues waiting to buy houses in Dublin where the Irish are the minority you know there is something really wrong in this country.

    Screenshot 2025-05-25 at 23.24.33.png Screenshot 2025-05-25 at 23.24.44.png

    How is this right in Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,106 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    I watched the RTE 6 news report on this. They interviewed 4 people queiing for houses. One was Indian, another African, the third Asian. Then finally a solitary Irishman. One in four. Astonishing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,008 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Like trying to find a needle in a haystack

    It feels like we're doomed to repeat the mistakes of the UK. We should be prioritising Irish citizens for housing, none of these Indians, Africans, Asians should be any where near the top of the queue for housing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,106 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    That was a private housing development though wasn't it ? One wonders where all these immigrants are getting the money from for the deposits and mortgage approval.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,868 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I would imagine from working like everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,008 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Doesn't matter if it's private or not, we should have rules surrounding internationals buying houses

    https://www.rte.ie/player/series/rt%C3%A9-news-nine-o-clock/SI0000001468?epguid=IH10008756-25-0143

    The housing segment starts at 08:03 mins in

    I think I counted less than a handful of Irish citizens. People need to get it through their head, the pricing and competition from legal immigration is the biggest impact to the housing market



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    A lack of new homes being built is the biggest factor impacting the housing market.

    People working here and paying tax need somewhere to live also.

    If people born abroad were suddenly not allowed to buy homes, how many of the MNCs do you think would stick around in Ireland? Answer, zero.

    We'd be sent back to the 80s in a heartbeat and the economy & our public services would be crippled.

    Legal migration is a good thing for every country, but we do need a major increase in home building in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,008 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    One of biggest culprits is the I.T sector and it's completely abused by employers for cheap labour but the great thing about I.T you can work remotely…….

    The population of Ireland could be 6m in a few years, it's impossible to have housing available for the growing population. There will always be lack housing especially when legal migration continues to grow.

    Irish citizens should prioritised for housing fullstop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    There absolutely should be questions asked about new housing stock being snapped up by new arrivals in high paying jobs,thety are contributing to price inflation and pricing locals out of the matket.

    Maybe we should look at curtailing purchases until you have lived at least 3 years in Ireland.This can change when supply catches up with demand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,008 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Another issue that will even grow bigger is the companies will buy these houses/estates for their workers

    This also needs to be curtailed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    IT is the highest paying sector in Ireland. Av salary of 69k.

    If large IT companies (or any company for that matter) were suddenly not allowed to hire non-irish citizens, those companies would up and leave and take their tax and jobs with them.

    A lot of their irish staff would follow them out the door also.

    Its not going to happen anyway, so pretty pointless discussing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    There might be some limited restrictions for non-EU citizens if the buyer isnt resident in Ireland, but it wouldnt make much difference to house prices or availability.

    The key problem is we aren't building enough homes. The govt needs to do a lot better on that front, I think we all agree on that point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    I think you are confused, Nobody suggested not hiring non irish citizens but maybe we should look at curtailing property purchasing for people on work visas for an initial period,say 3 years,of course if they were citizens this would not affect them.

    No MNC would leave,they love our tax rates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Absolutely agree on that point.I still see the need on restrictions until demand meets supply,and I think it's inherently unfair that new arrivals on large salaries can distort hhe market for locals. This needs to be looked at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I dont think that would make much difference. Without an uptick in building we wont see an improvement in housing availability.

    Government loves the tax take, but in order to generate the tax take, the MNC needs to generate the revenue and in order to do that you need good staff.

    In order to hire good staff, you need to have access to global talent...Just like every other successful city in the world does.

    That is not going to change.

    Ireland is tiny. There is no chance all the big companies would be here if only irish staff were allowed to buy houses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Lets see what the govt does. Some housing annoucements due next week perhaps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    The colleges of Ireland have a lot to answer for - they had a huge hand in creating this mess. They (along with their puppets in government) created an environment which compelled young people into the 3rd level education. They fearmonger students from age 13 to 18 that they won't get a job if they don't go to college. They closed down the technical institutes and started flooding the country with cheaper labour. All the irish students then came out of college with degrees for things that literally had zero jobs (apart from jobs teaching the next generation the same nonsense) - first thing they do is join all their similarly placed friends and f*ck off to a nicer part of the world. This was great for the government because A) they no longer had to support them and B) the colleges got their 4-5 years of €€€€€€.

    The void left by the Irish will happily be filled with migrants by the government. it's a very nice system they have going for themselves. They know that those irish that left decades ago with come back with their bags of cash to raise their children here.

    We need to open up the technical colleges again, give the Universities the two fingers and stop sneering at anyone who leaves school at 15/16. I believe this is a huge factor in the problem we have at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭meepins


    F*** your money.

    Mod Edit: Warned for uncivil posting

    Post edited by Necro on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭eastie17


    complete nonsense.

    The technical colleges weren’t shut down, they are still open and thriving.

    There are plenty of jobs for Irish grads in things other than teaching, I know this from first hand experience.



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