Women's prisons and the Gender Recognition Act (2015)

So why not put women and men in the same prison at that rate

For the record, the term "trans-identifying" is considered a transphobic slur.

Why is that so, when the paragraph below on a current gov.ie page isn't?

Young people who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, queer, intersex or belong to other sexual and gender minorities (LGBTI+), often experience worse health and life outcomes

I suspect it's very much based on the person saying it …

Disappointing that such rampant transphobia and use of transphobic slurs is still being tolerated on Boards, considering it is against the charter.

How very 2018 of you. Being compelled to use certain forms of language and generally what we are allowed and not allowed to say is at the centre of this whole issue.

https://www.gov.ie/ga/an-roinn-leana%C3%AD-m%C3%ADchumais-agus-comhionannais/preaseisiuinti/minister-ogorman-launches-lgbti-youth-in-ireland-and-across-europe-a-two-phased-landscape-and-research-gap-analysis/

We are not undoing anyone's rights. We just want to live our authentic lives. Not our fault we were born with the wrong body parts that do not match how we are.

Thank you.

The women's prisons are more overcrowded then the males.

Again there is no trans person being housed in a women's prison.

The Governor of each prison is ultimately responsible for the inmates, they know what they are doing.

Far more actual issues to be addressed in the prison system, this bigoted strawmen isn't one of them.

According to who?

Paddy O Grift?

Not one I ever heard of. I think that maybe its just some Trans Women maybe realising this generation might not be the generation that can have a baby and maybe a little jealous. I see it all as perfectly natural. Trans Women will someday be able to give birth too. though. Maybe not in my lifetime but I hope it is. Not for me though :( .

I will be too old by then.

Ah now again Jack you're just making stuff up here. In contradiction to historical fact. And you know that because you replied to @plodder's post about John Howard, and even brought in Elizabeth Fry. Both those people were clear that women in prison were vulnerable to abuse from male prisoners.

So unless there's evidence that transidentifying male prisoners are different from other male prisoners in that they are not a threat to women, people who think they should ever be put in with female prisoners are increasing that risk for purely ideological reasons.

Ah now I'm not making stuff up here. Segregation based on sex has not reduced the opportunities men who are of a mind to do so, have to abuse women. As far as historical facts go, well again that's a question of whose facts are they? Much as I like to indulge in a bit of historical revisionism as the next person, the reason the early prison reformers sought reform was because of the conditions of both men and women who were incarcerated, and what they perceived to be the moral decline of the individual in circumstances where men and women were getting up to no good amongst themselves (they were having sex, basically, cos what else were they going to do when they had nothing to do?). That's the reason they were in favour of the Act, and why in reality, the Act failed miserably in it's aims, because of the lack of inspectors.

And because of the way our system of justice functions, what with everyone being afforded the right to the presumption of innocence, the onus is on the person making the claim that men are a threat to women, to provide evidence for their claim, before anyone would even contemplate whether male prisoners are a threat to female prisoners. Their assumption, which can only be based upon an ideological position, isn't supported by evidence either, where the greatest threat to female prisoners, are other female prisoners -

The rate of inmate-on-inmate sexual victimization [PDF] is at least 3 times higher for females (13.7%) than males (4.2%). This has been attributed to the fact that a majority of prison officials do not view female-on-female sexual assault as “true rape,” making them less likely to reprimand inmates. Furthermore, as the female prison population has grown at a dramatic rate, states have been unable to keep up. Therefore, female prison facilities tend to be overcrowded and poorly designed, making them difficult to police.

And the argument that "Ah sure rape has always existed so what harm if there's another rape or two" is a terrible argument. I've said this to you before.

I'm certain I've never made that argument, so while I'm perfectly willing to take your word for it that you've said it to me before, it's unlikely to have been in response to an argument I did make.