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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭pad406


    I vote we add extra US tax on Viagra, MAGA, Make America Gelded Again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,092 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm assuming that it's because nasty Europe signed a deal with Greenland for the local products before he did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,014 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Looks like the UK will have a huge advantage over EU countries starting in 2 weeks time. A 10% tariff and certainty. The EU would effectively be locked out of the US market. Shows the benefits of controlling your own trade policy.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Tell me you have absolutely no idea how global trade works without telling me you have absolutely no idea how global trade works….

    Seriously , just stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,752 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Absolute nonsense.

    Why would the multinationals be in Ireland if we weren't in the EU?

    If Ireland has no chance in a trade war when in the EU, how on earth would we have any chance outside the EU?

    You posted this piece of economic illiteracy to the thread before, it has no credibility then and was completely discredited. You didn't even try to defend it, because it is completely without foundation.

    Again another post with zero criticism of Trump, and special pleading behind a completely unjustified attack on Ireland being in the EU. Just peddling a discredited anti EU agenda again and again and proven wrong again and again. If you are behind Ireland leaving the EU, say so, so posters can know what sort of economically and politically bankrupt agenda you support.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,365 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Our frog friend will be along in a minute to explain how he didn’t actually say the photos were from South Africa, he just presented them without comment…well except repeating the word “death” over and over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,617 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Someone needs to study people with this mindset. You cut off your nose for Brexit, and now you are willing to chop other bits off in order to celebrate a tariff that didn't exist before



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,173 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There were £59.3 billion of goods exports to the United States in value terms, which was a £2.3 billion (3.7%) decrease from 2023. Exports to the United States accounted for 16.2% of all goods exports, making them the UK's largest goods export partner.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/articles/uktradewiththeunitedstates/2024#:~:text=There%20were%20%C2%A359.3%20billion,UK's%20largest%20goods%20export%20partner.

    Kinda mad that we're still hearing the debunked trope of Brexit Britain striking all kinds of trade deals thing.

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,763 ✭✭✭storker


    Remember the confident predictions that Ireland was going to be forced out of the EU?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    It's Trump, he could have been having a dump this morning browsing his iPhone and he got a cookie notification on his iPhone from an EU site and then his iPhone restarted for a forced update. Then he stood up off the sofa and vowed vengeance on apple and the EU.

    Or during his crypto dinner last night someone bet him he couldn't tank the markets today. Or maybe someone there showed him his new iPhone made in india etc...

    Trying to understand Trump's reasoning when he has absolutely no clue how the real world works is a waste of time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,626 ✭✭✭Damien360


    It is certainly not being painted as a good deal in the UK. It is very specific to a luxury market sales for UK car exports. But not so much after that. It's talks about talks. Sound bites if you like.

    BBC did a piece on it and is still quite cynical about the whole thing.

    Trust is a big thing and if Trump keeps changing his mind then he can't be trusted. Hence why a pragmatic UK citizen is not cheering about this. Their biggest market is still the EU and they don't want to mess that up further than they did with Brexit. They just signed a deal (complete with documents of regulations) with the EU to ease off some of the self imposed paperwork and regulation traps they fell into.

    Stock markets react faster and sharp falls and rises show how this lack of trust is viewed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    yeah those nasty Greenlanders and so mean Europeans got there first…you know the EU and Greenland were set up just to screw donnie vonshitzinpants…so now its tariff time!

    anyway has he taken the new qatar grift plane for a spin yet?be wild handy for a spin down to florida to the weekender,he can check out the super-size gold shitters on board…

    yo! donnie vonredactedpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu,vic orban..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Wait till Ursula throws a fit and slams 50% on all US products tonight including gas and oil.

    “Wars begin when you want them to, but they don’t end when you ask them to.”- Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Quite remarkable the US has threatened a blanket 50% tariff on the EU starting in two weeks and global indices are down a mere 0.5 - 1.5%. I.e. if you opened you’re trading account having not read the news, you’d shrug and close it again without much thought.

    I assume this means the market is pricing in heavily that this is another ‘threat’ which will never actually go anywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,014 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    He is not trying to "drive a wedge", he is pointing out the reality of 27 very different countries with very different economies trying to have a single negotiating position.

    What will be interesting is how kindly those countries with more balanced trade relations with the US take to paying a heavy price for the likes of Ireland and Germany.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭pad406


    You probably regurgitated the same nonsense at Brexit time. Yawn…………..



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,241 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    If you think that's bad, try negotiating in good faith with a mad king who plucks arbitrary tariff numbers out of thin air when he wakes up annoyed that EU countries won't abolish VAT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭Infini


    Seriously the Orange Bollocks and his Regressive Cowardly Friends are the sole issue and the only thing that makes them back down is consequences. They'll only act sensible when others wait them out and they buckle under the pressure just like with China. This is not an EU issue its the republicult and their idiot friends issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Kermit thinks Ireland doesn't deserve to have anything. He doesn't even think we should be allowed to speak up about global events happening. He wants the EU to betray us and he wants the US to ruin us.

    He will never be happy until Ireland is where he thinks it belongs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Which, judging by their previous posts about Brexit over the years, is outside the EU and a vassal state of the UK.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    Am I the only one wondering why some posters are exempt from the rules?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,014 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    EU Exports to the US as % of GDP by Country:

    Ireland: 17.3%

    Slovenia: 8.7%

    Slovakia: 5.8%

    Hungary: 5.6%

    Belgium: 4.1%

    Germany: 3.4%

    Austria: 3.3%

    Italy: 3.2%

    Sweden: 2.9%

    Finland: 2.7%

    Netherlands: 2.6%

    Estonia: 2.5%

    Lithuania: 2.4%

    Denmark: 2.3%

    Czechia: 2.3%

    Portugal: 2.1%

    France: 1.9%

    Poland: 1.5%

    Latvia: 1.5%

    Bulgaria: 1.3%

    Spain: 1.2%

    Croatia: 1.1%

    Romania: 0.9%

    Greece: 0.9%

    Malta: 0.9%

    Luxembourg: 0.8%

    Cyprus: 0.2%

    The problem with Irish people saying the EU should "hit back" or "suck it up" is the inequity in which countries take the heavy hit.

    There is one country whose economy ends up totally exposed - that is Ireland. We are looking at collapse in exports, mass unemployment and a collapse in tax revenue.

    I can't see how any Irish person would think it's OK for Ireland to be wrecked so long as the EU is standing up to Trump. It might be ok if you're a Spaniard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭EmergencyExit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Ireland's "reciprocal tariff" would be something like 99% if based on our trade deficit, not the initial 20% or now threatened 50% as part of the EU.

    What do you propose Ireland do? Remember, time is linear and only moves forward. You can't go back and change decades of economic development that have resulted from EU membership and US trade. If we somehow had our current wealth and status without the EU, the US would be hitting us harder, not less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,788 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    President Boy who cried wolf is at it again

    Its his own sheep that will end up getting slaughtered

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,274 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Yeah. Because the United States is all thinking the same way.

    Even Trumps own cabinet doesn't think the same way. Some states are looking at suing the government due to overreach.

    Trump announced these without any input from anyone in Congress. Is Bessant really now arguing that dictatorship is best?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,675 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    The bond markets have already decided that they just aren't going to tolerate this kind of crap from this clown.

    Just match whatever stupid number he comes up with and wait for him to fold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,048 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    And we wouldn't have our economy if not for the EU given that so many companies have set up in Ireland specifically because it's a foot in the EU and it's an English-speaking country.

    But of course, that doesn't suit an anti-EU rhetoric so will just be ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,014 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    In the current situation our interests are only served by the EU offering a lot more to avoid a catastrophe here. The scale of the crisis in this country if a 50% tariff was imposed (which is a lock out) is frightening, it really is. There is no sugar coating it. It will be fast too. When tariffs like that are imposed, exports don't slow down - they stop. You are talking 100,000's of jobs on the line. A collapse in revenue to the state. We'd be straight in to an emergency.

    We need the EU to be willing to offer a lot more to get a deal we can live with.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,168 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    No reply on the topic of Trump lying in front of the world, pretending to show photos of mass killings of white people?

    No?

    Just disappear, and then reappear later when the topic changes. It is like debate Whak-a-mole....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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