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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,899 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    What's the problem? Weren't you only recently on this thread lauding the plain talking coming from the White House?

    No matter what economically illiterate vomit Trump comes out with, note how you don't criticise Trump but desperately try to spin it against Ireland and driving a wedge between Ireland and the EU.

    Not fooling anyone with this anti-EU agenda in the posts and hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil when it comes to Trump.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,740 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Not to mention the very simple fact that it is US citizens who pay the tariffs. The more the EU and others stick their heels in and let Trump raise the tariffs to whatever he wants, it will affect the US population far more than anyone else, because while all countries have tariffs raised on US goods, the US has tariffs raised on everything from every other country.

    Short term, the EU and others can increase trade with each other to try best offset the effect of tariffs as much as possible, but the US won't have that option because they're imposing tariffs against everybody.

    So yes, there could be a lot of upheaval in the short term. But a) it'll hurt the US far more and could force a lot of pressure on Trump to roll back, and b) the EU et al don't have to outlast a decade of economic uncertainty like from 2008. They just have to outlast Trump.

    Dig the f*ck in and tell the orange c*nt to f*ck the f*ck off. Whatever you give him, he'll change his mind a month later and want more. F*ck off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,246 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    We need to focus on impacts for Ireland. The most immediately casualty from June 1st if 50% tariff is implemented will be obviously the food and drink sector. There will be 1000s of job losses within two weeks.

    The government will need to decide whether it wants to use tax payers money to protect as many of those workers as it can.

    The fallout beyond that would be catastrophic but we'll need to take it one step at a time.

    Our only hope is the EU comes to it's senses quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    What impacts? He do a uturn like he has every single time while his cohorts game the markets on insider info

    Trump Always Chickens Out

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    How is it "devastating to Ireland" , will it be like the existential hell we'll experience from Brexit that's definitely going to happen any day now , just before the EU cut us loose and punish us..

    We're not the ones paying the tariffs , US Citizens are.

    Excluding Pharma , most of our exports are "Services" which Trump doesn't seem to know exists so they are not subject to his incoherent nonsense

    Pharma is probably the most Tariff resistant industry there is - You can decide you don't need a new iPhone , you can't decide to not need Insulin anymore..

    I said this before - The Pharma companies won't give a toss - They still get paid.

    They'll throw a few million at "planning" for new Production facilities ( which would take 3-5 years at the least to bring on line) to keep Trump out of their face , but they won't change a damn thing - They might use it as leverage to get the EU to give them a better tax deal or improved pricing but they absolutely categorically won't be shuttering their factories and moving back to the US .

    As for the other industries - Again , they'll feel a bit of a hit but they still get paid and they'll do the same thing - Make coochy-coo noises to the man-baby and spend a few million on purchasing some sites and a bit of planning fees , but again there will be no significant return of manufacturing to the US.

    Also - Trump WILL change his mind again so anyone making plans or decisions based on his latest bout of verbal diarrhea would be a very silly person.

    Smile and Nod , say "Sure Donald , we'll get right on it" and just wait for him to flip flop a few more times before eventually rolling over and giving in as he has done EVERY other time.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,637 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    'The EU comes to its senses'?

    There's only one nutcase trade policy here, and it ain't the European union.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,957 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    What do you get out of constantly peddling this kind of silly nonsense? Genuine question. You spent years trying to convince us that the EU was going to kick Ireland out and now this.

    The Americans will be paying the tariffs, just like they volunteer themselves to be guinea pigs for medicines.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Do you think you'll ever get tired of being so wrong, so often??

    You've been telling us that the Irish Economy is about to be utterly F*cked any day now for well over a decade at this stage.

    The UK were going to punish us for Brexit , then the EU were going to punish for for Brexit as well apparently.

    Now the US are going to punish us but you've also stuck with the angle that the EU were going to punish us for it as well somehow…

    You're seemingly endless ability to be utterly wrong is sort of impressive to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭pad406


    I vote we add extra US tax on Viagra, MAGA, Make America Gelded Again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,956 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm assuming that it's because nasty Europe signed a deal with Greenland for the local products before he did.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,246 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Looks like the UK will have a huge advantage over EU countries starting in 2 weeks time. A 10% tariff and certainty. The EU would effectively be locked out of the US market. Shows the benefits of controlling your own trade policy.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Tell me you have absolutely no idea how global trade works without telling me you have absolutely no idea how global trade works….

    Seriously , just stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,899 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Absolute nonsense.

    Why would the multinationals be in Ireland if we weren't in the EU?

    If Ireland has no chance in a trade war when in the EU, how on earth would we have any chance outside the EU?

    You posted this piece of economic illiteracy to the thread before, it has no credibility then and was completely discredited. You didn't even try to defend it, because it is completely without foundation.

    Again another post with zero criticism of Trump, and special pleading behind a completely unjustified attack on Ireland being in the EU. Just peddling a discredited anti EU agenda again and again and proven wrong again and again. If you are behind Ireland leaving the EU, say so, so posters can know what sort of economically and politically bankrupt agenda you support.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,823 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Our frog friend will be along in a minute to explain how he didn’t actually say the photos were from South Africa, he just presented them without comment…well except repeating the word “death” over and over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,275 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Someone needs to study people with this mindset. You cut off your nose for Brexit, and now you are willing to chop other bits off in order to celebrate a tariff that didn't exist before



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,957 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There were £59.3 billion of goods exports to the United States in value terms, which was a £2.3 billion (3.7%) decrease from 2023. Exports to the United States accounted for 16.2% of all goods exports, making them the UK's largest goods export partner.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/articles/uktradewiththeunitedstates/2024#:~:text=There%20were%20%C2%A359.3%20billion,UK's%20largest%20goods%20export%20partner.

    Kinda mad that we're still hearing the debunked trope of Brexit Britain striking all kinds of trade deals thing.

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    Remember the confident predictions that Ireland was going to be forced out of the EU?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    It's Trump, he could have been having a dump this morning browsing his iPhone and he got a cookie notification on his iPhone from an EU site and then his iPhone restarted for a forced update. Then he stood up off the sofa and vowed vengeance on apple and the EU.

    Or during his crypto dinner last night someone bet him he couldn't tank the markets today. Or maybe someone there showed him his new iPhone made in india etc...

    Trying to understand Trump's reasoning when he has absolutely no clue how the real world works is a waste of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,207 ✭✭✭Damien360


    It is certainly not being painted as a good deal in the UK. It is very specific to a luxury market sales for UK car exports. But not so much after that. It's talks about talks. Sound bites if you like.

    BBC did a piece on it and is still quite cynical about the whole thing.

    Trust is a big thing and if Trump keeps changing his mind then he can't be trusted. Hence why a pragmatic UK citizen is not cheering about this. Their biggest market is still the EU and they don't want to mess that up further than they did with Brexit. They just signed a deal (complete with documents of regulations) with the EU to ease off some of the self imposed paperwork and regulation traps they fell into.

    Stock markets react faster and sharp falls and rises show how this lack of trust is viewed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    yeah those nasty Greenlanders and so mean Europeans got there first…you know the EU and Greenland were set up just to screw donnie vonshitzinpants…so now its tariff time!

    anyway has he taken the new qatar grift plane for a spin yet?be wild handy for a spin down to florida to the weekender,he can check out the super-size gold shitters on board…


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo! donnie vonshitzinpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,285 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Wait till Ursula throws a fit and slams 50% on all US products tonight including gas and oil.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Quite remarkable the US has threatened a blanket 50% tariff on the EU starting in two weeks and global indices are down a mere 0.5 - 1.5%. I.e. if you opened you’re trading account having not read the news, you’d shrug and close it again without much thought.

    I assume this means the market is pricing in heavily that this is another ‘threat’ which will never actually go anywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,246 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    He is not trying to "drive a wedge", he is pointing out the reality of 27 very different countries with very different economies trying to have a single negotiating position.

    What will be interesting is how kindly those countries with more balanced trade relations with the US take to paying a heavy price for the likes of Ireland and Germany.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭pad406


    You probably regurgitated the same nonsense at Brexit time. Yawn…………..



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,637 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    If you think that's bad, try negotiating in good faith with a mad king who plucks arbitrary tariff numbers out of thin air when he wakes up annoyed that EU countries won't abolish VAT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭Infini


    Seriously the Orange Bollocks and his Regressive Cowardly Friends are the sole issue and the only thing that makes them back down is consequences. They'll only act sensible when others wait them out and they buckle under the pressure just like with China. This is not an EU issue its the republicult and their idiot friends issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Kermit thinks Ireland doesn't deserve to have anything. He doesn't even think we should be allowed to speak up about global events happening. He wants the EU to betray us and he wants the US to ruin us.

    He will never be happy until Ireland is where he thinks it belongs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Which, judging by their previous posts about Brexit over the years, is outside the EU and a vassal state of the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,871 ✭✭✭yagan


    Am I the only one wondering why some posters are exempt from the rules?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,246 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    EU Exports to the US as % of GDP by Country:

    Ireland: 17.3%

    Slovenia: 8.7%

    Slovakia: 5.8%

    Hungary: 5.6%

    Belgium: 4.1%

    Germany: 3.4%

    Austria: 3.3%

    Italy: 3.2%

    Sweden: 2.9%

    Finland: 2.7%

    Netherlands: 2.6%

    Estonia: 2.5%

    Lithuania: 2.4%

    Denmark: 2.3%

    Czechia: 2.3%

    Portugal: 2.1%

    France: 1.9%

    Poland: 1.5%

    Latvia: 1.5%

    Bulgaria: 1.3%

    Spain: 1.2%

    Croatia: 1.1%

    Romania: 0.9%

    Greece: 0.9%

    Malta: 0.9%

    Luxembourg: 0.8%

    Cyprus: 0.2%

    The problem with Irish people saying the EU should "hit back" or "suck it up" is the inequity in which countries take the heavy hit.

    There is one country whose economy ends up totally exposed - that is Ireland. We are looking at collapse in exports, mass unemployment and a collapse in tax revenue.

    I can't see how any Irish person would think it's OK for Ireland to be wrecked so long as the EU is standing up to Trump. It might be ok if you're a Spaniard.



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