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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,205 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,201 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Chay Bowes? I have less time for him than I have for Putin, if thats even possible.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,162 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    What assistance? Europe is undertaking a massive rebuilding program in order to just contain the country on the same continent, it has limited ability to project any meaningful power on the far side of the globe.

    What was the last British warship to sail through the Straits of Taiwan, French Army unit to conduct a training exercise in the Philippines, or the last German Air Force unit to improve a small island nation like Palau’s military infrastructure?

    The US is the only country outside or Japan with a significant capability in the region. It’s why Europe is now decidedly a second tier concern for the US military.Europe can take care of itself. Manila can’t stand off against Beijing.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Mod note:

    Last 2 posts deleted as they were off topic.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Funny how Mulbot and Brickster always seem to miss these stories in their trawl through the internet "just asking questions".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Nah, I see them, it's a Russian Ukraine thread, no point in me mentioning what you will but I will what you dont.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I've written this before, but I feel it is still useful to see what is posted and when it is posted when it comes to Kremlin-influenced talking points or themes.

    Sort of by proxy, it gives us a little taste of the mood in Moscow and in particular what they would like us to feel about the situation. So far we've got:

    • One-sided battlefield reports out of "concern", but given the pattern are specifically designed to sell up the creeping Russian advance in Donbass as an inevitable Ukrainian defeat. It isn't, but this tactic is designed to make you feel like it is.
    • Faux-Peace-nik overtures to "save lives" and to "stop the killing". These are usually armed to support the idea of a one-sided Peace Treaty in Russia's favor. That is the main goal of that message. The messaging is humaine, but the intention behind that message is not. Students of history will understand that Peace "at any cost" is no peace at all and is merely a temporary respite. Ask any Czech.
    • It's NATO / Ukraine Nazi / The West™ fault…Russia is just defending Russian speakers. In other words, "2 wrongs do make a right", and when you are the party doing the responding wrong you have carte blanche on how monsterious you can be to the first party. It's a pack of lies and does not stand up to scrutiny, but it does telegraph a desire to be "The Good Guys" in this. They'll never be that, but I sense they really want to be.

    The Russia Federation's goal here and across the West is to get us on their side, or at very least fearful enough to never oppose them. They use their own assets, as well as influenced Westerners who willingly act as a conduit for them by way of subtile messaging. If it wasn't in the service of such evil, you could almost admire how clever they've been at getting people to do their work for them….likely for free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,205 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    DeepState reported that Russian bloggers have been posting a photo claiming their troops were near the settlement of Novomykolaiivka in Zaporizhzhia Oblast.

     

    However, the analysts stated that the pickup truck in the photo belongs to some Ukrainian soldiers who had become entangled in barbed wire during the night near the village of Troiitske. In the morning, the Russian soldiers arrived at the scene, took photos of themselves, and were then killed.

    Well they didn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭zv2


    Live in it, die in it-

    While the Chinese and Kim's army are marching in Red Square, the cemetery of real veterans is drowning in swamps and feces. The cemeteries of the very "dids who fought". The place where heroes should lie in honor has turned into a swamp of sewage. "Dids" are up to their ears in ****. Literally.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    With no commentary. Very noble of you. I tend not to mention any news reports - I follow the thread and judge the reports and sources for myself. It's easy to pick out the dubious ones, on both sides.

    In other news, someone was laughing recently at the idea of Russians trying to influence people in other countries…

    Gardaí have found foreign actors using social media to 'amplify' far-right content in Ireland



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭thomil


    Germany is activating it’s 45th Panzer Brigade in Lithuania today:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/22/europe-news-latest-germany-russia-ukraine-nato?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-682eed958f08fc3a17a69d5f#block-682eed958f08fc3a17a69d5f

    This might not seem like much to a lot of people, but this unit, which is meant to improve NATO’s position in the Baltic states, is the first German unit since the end of WW2 that will be permanently stationed abroad.

    It’s also somewhat surreal to watch the activation ceremony being broadcast live on several German TV stations, including private news channel n-tv. Given Germany’s reticence with regards to defence for much of its post-WW2 existence, this just shows how much things have changed over the last few years.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,515 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Three pretty important comments by Trump on a call with European leaders on Monday that have alarmed them

    1. Putin doesn't want a victory because he is winning
    2. Russia and Ukraine will negotiate directly with each other
    3. The US will not pursue more sanctions on Russia

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/22/russia-ukraine-war-truce-zelensky-putin-latest-news/

    I don't know what European leaders expected. Trump is pathologically incapable of even criticising Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭mulbot


    What's the link there got to do Russia or Ukraine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,386 ✭✭✭amandstu


    So it wouldn't be missed?(no I don't follow the latest naval deployments)

    You are implying the US doesn't need any help from Europe in the Pacific?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    Europe cannot protect its own border let alone project power in the Pacific. The US knows this, hence why it is willing to cast us aside as an ally.

    If the US does square off with China then in the Pacific then I would imagine they will have their clock cleaned as China won't start anything until they know they have the advantage.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,162 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    There's nothing to miss. I am sure the US would be happy to have the services of an additional couple of nuclear submarines or whatever, not that there are many left to go around in Europe, but the bottom line is that even the US has not been capable of fighting two wars on two fronts at the same time for over two decades. If the US does get decisively engaged somewhere, be it Korea, Taiwan, Europe, Iran, whatever, then people in all the other locations are thinking "Huh. If the US are distracted, then here's an opportunity we otherwise wouldn't have." No nation wants to be the first to attract US attention, but if the attention is already given… If Europe takes care of Russia, which it can, at least that's one distraction less that can divert away from the Pacific.

    I also believe that even in the event of serious European re-armament, it's going to be focused on continental power, there won't be enough in the budget to do that and also provide for expeditionary forces on the far side of the globe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,386 ✭✭✭amandstu


    (Couldn't quote /paste your relevant point -jumbalese from the site's software)

    So the scenario seems to be that China tries to wait its time before making its main move and Russia (if it is able )coordinates its actions in Europe to leverage the moment.

    In the meantime they keep trying to destabilize their "enemies".

    Has Trump got any strategic plan for this or is it all just about waving his willy?

    As far as I can see democratic accountability or representation counts for nothing in what the present "administration" values in an "ally"

    I incline to the presumption that it would just as easily take the side of Russia and NK against Europe if it seemed expedient .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Paddigol




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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Mod note:

    Just a quick note that I withdrew an in thread warning and deleted 3 posts.

    Thank you

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,452 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I don't know that they are "important". I mean it is no policy change from Trump is it? We all know Putin has no interest in stopping the war and it seems like it has its own momentum/internal logic propelling it & Russia along (towards an abyss) now, which might even push him to expand it to attacks on other countries in time.

    Ukraine will get nothing in terms of aid from the US under Trump, and there will be no more pressure from the US on Russia/Putin. They've tucked tail, and run away really (or will do soon).

    IMO very best we can hope for from the Trump admin. is the US doesn't directly throw some more lifelines to Putin, it both continues the existing sanctions on Russia and continues selling weapons (probably with some grumbles about it from Trump - had these already, he was moaning about it like the US gives the weapons away!) to both Ukraine and Europeans who need them. It's pretty bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Ukraine has a new tactic, attack airports and cause disruption on the cheap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    We have a huge problem, which will affect Ukraine as well. And it is so huge, it may make us forget about the fate of Ukraine as inconsequential.

    The USA's house of representatives has passed the budget bill that, among other things, grants Trump immunity from any law. If this bill passes the Senate, Trump can legally suspend the democracy, he can personally go and jail or even shoot any judge or a politician whom he doesn't like and face no legal consequences.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,312 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Trump putting 50% tariff on EU goods from 1st of June, at Putins request , or else the tapes will be released



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    The guy is a joke. An complete joke of man nepo baby let alone president. I'd be absolutely mortified if I was an American. You'd almost root for the Chinese at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Have you a link to the provision in a tax bill that gives the presidency immunity from any other arm of government?

    You could argue quite easily that the bill is to the benefit of the super rich and to the detriment of the poor, or that it will cause a gigantic increase in the national debt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,172 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    How does a trade war with the EU help the US versus China?

    How does it help the EU to build up its own military?

    How does lifting the ban on exporting advanced chips to China help the US versus China?

    So let's drop this nonsense about Trump's subservience to Russian interests being part of some long game v China.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Biden was also a joke but at least he wasn’t malicious. The world has gotten some very poor American administrators of late.



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