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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    The Irish Times just report facts though, with no bias. And I'm not listening to anybody that says anything else because that's that. We just need to build new houses for everybody that comes - workers, the 80% not actual asylum seekers, people who will never work etc. It's so simple I don't know what our problem is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    RTE news : Directors of IPAS centre operator shared €4.68m last year

    http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0523/1514492-ipas-operators/

    Rte getting in on kicking the boot into the Igo cafe owners. Anyone who has been paying attention knows the back story with this crowd. All very dodgy, but seems they are finally getting heat from the mainstream. Although the cynic in me can't help but feel its all by design and someone behind the scenes has given the go ahead for their head to be served on a plate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,992 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    That's scary statistics. It shows how much I'm out of touch. I would have said as bad as things are it might be 25%-30%

    But 7%!!!!!!!.

    And yes FF/FG are to blame. But when ya see the stupid polices of the opposition which effectively make things worse you just understand why they get back in time and again.

    I blame opposition as much as anyone. Yes they never got into government. But all they do is sprout crap themselves and we be left with same results, until they finally have guts to address the real issues in country.

    The whole lot are pathetic. Young people are suffering. No way I could afford build a house today myself.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭dabbler2004


    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0523/1514492-ipas-operators/

    RTE running with the story now and have gone into some breakdown of the amounts and might I dare suggest have an opinion of same.

    Could those posters who think that we should accept higher levels of immigration look at the figures below and ask if it's sustainable.

    (Amounts paid to the directors) "equates to average pay of €36,346 per week for each."

    "The cash funds of €1.24m compared to only €1,158 in cash in the company at the end of 2019"

    (Combined IPAS & Ukrainian spending) "The outlay equates to a daily average spend of €5m across 2024."



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    7% sounds about right. Ireland has been hideously unaffordable for quite some time now. You hear stuff like Universities in Ireland benefitting from the alleged US brain drain that's imminent but I'd say they'll take one look at pricing and infrastructure and choose the UK or the Netherlands instead.

    Ultimately the public are responsible. People always get the government they deserve. People here wailed and moaned about Tory austerity and then returned them on a larger majority. They do the same with immigration but then returned the same party in 2019 and immigration went to the highest level ever recorded.

    People are leaving because they can't afford Ireland, no matter what the government puts out about lifestyles or any other drivel. If people want to see immigration levels slashes, that's perfectly legitimate but they're going to have to actually vote for it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,992 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    The universities are also guilty of milking students and their parents.

    Financialisation of on-campus rental accommodation.

    Students do not need to be living in luxury apartments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,992 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Aontu got decent vote in last election but transfers killed them.

    Problem is media spin them as some type kkk party too. Actually any party that tries go anyway against grain just get shot down, hence why all practically same on main issues and any policy that is different is simply just not practically effective.

    Actually while I'm pointing fingers, the media in this country are another gutless shower.

    Likes of Matt Cooper and anyone in Newstalk just another mouthpiece.

    Was listening to Newstalk about month ago. They were discussing the effects of Trump Administration

    Now I want make very very clear that I don't like Trump one bit. He would not piss on me if I was on fire.

    But I had to laugh when they mentioned that "things have gotten so bad in America that Tourism was down 5-6% this year". Both people on show were gasping at that that until it kinda dawned on them to change subject as the tourism here is down 20-30%. It was ironic moment.

    These millionaires telling ordinary people they are wrong.

    People hired by NGO sprouting simple lies and have that attitude "listen to me I am wearing a shirt and tie so I have be telling the truth"... people's eyes are telling a different story.

    5 men in one day were charged with murder this week. One filmed his wife passing away. But hey that's our fault I guess so some lad on 200k year will tell us.

    Sorry bit off course but it applies to this topic too.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-22/sanchez-pushes-ahead-with-plan-to-tax-non-eu-home-buyers-100?embedded-checkout=true

    Spain’s Socialist party introducing a 100% tax on non-EU house purchasers to ease their housing shortages

    Someone should let the socialists know that they’re far right

    Meanwhile our torpid toads in government are happy to do absolutely nothing in the way of imaginative or firm measures to try and address the crisis.
    They simply don’t care.

    Millionaire Micheál and Simon Harris much prefer to grandstand on international issues than thinking for a second about their own people they purport to lead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭tom23


    ui

    millionaire michael and simon stand on international issues to deflect the absolute horrendous ball making of the current situation. Easy to virtue signal from the other side of Europe. Hero’s to no one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Aontu sure, national party no.

    We don't have an alternative when the main opposition are even more pro immigration.

    The EU pressuring our government to take in the world. You don't see much pressure to get home ownership in that cohort up from 7%. Natives be damned. And this fate awaits the children of all these immigrants who come here anyway. This island is a social disaster. These are meant to be the good times 😂

    Another big recession will finish us off.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    A 100% tax is the most socialist thing a party can do. Can you explain how that would make anyone far right?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    According to the RTÉ article linked above, Igo provides facilities management (would that be cleaning, caretaking, security?) at four IPAS centres. The article also states that last year’s cost for housing asylum seekers amounted to €1 billion. Does that €1 billion include the fees paid to external facilities management companies, or does it cover only accommodation costs (i.e. payments to hotels and owners of repurposed buildings)? If the €1 billion figure reflects only the actual lodging and excludes outsourced services like facilities management, then the true total expenditure must be significantly higher.

    Furthermore, a single company received €4.68 million last year to employ 77 staff - many of whom are likely paid at or near minimum wage - to service just four IPAS centres. Can this level of spending on one contractor for such a limited number of sites be justified? It certainly raises serious questions about the management of public funds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    The poster is suggesting such a tax is only applied to non-EU buyers of homes.

    That would be a right wing policy on the basis of it is not applied to EU citizens I suppose.

    Though in my book I think this is smart and reasonable policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    This is how anyone with an ounce of sense see's the situation.

    Hard workers should be welcomed with open arms, free loaders should be returned to sender.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    No, they received €29.9m, the directors made €4.68m from the 4 sites they run.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I really don’t want to go down the left v right definition path again. But defining any taxation as a “right wing policy” is laughable.

    Spain elected a socialist party and they’re doing exactly what you’d expect a socialist party to do. Protect their citizens collectively through a regulated economy. The only reason they’ve limited it to non EU countries is because they can’t include EU countries.

    As a committed pinko, I 100% endorse this idea too.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I have no doubt that this is money for the boys from FFG. People calling them Marxist etc. completely missing the obvious. It’s cronyism ruining the country not communism.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭SnazzyPig


    Victim blaming.

    We have a supine, self serving media that relentlessly tries to shame people who express doubts about our laissez-fair immigration policies.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No. The discredited bias media narrative does not change this.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    No, we have an increasingly parochial electorate who vote on local issues and rarely on national interest. We have parishes pump politics electing people like the Healy Rae brothers. It’s not about the media, people exercise their vote freely and have to live with the consequences

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭SnazzyPig


    No, we have an increasingly parochial electorate who vote on local issues and rarely on national interest

    Really?

    So all the ideological virtue signalling by our politicians is in vain?

    We're all just voting for the man that fixed the pothole on the road to the monthly cattle mart?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    So are links supporting claims just link dumps good to know .Does that mean they can be reported as such .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Is there any particular evidence to suggest that the presence of IPAs in the Gaeltacht areas "dilutes the language"?

    It just seems like yet another one of those things where — just because it involves migrants / IPAs — it suddenly invokes a lot of passion and the presence of foreigners becomes disproportionately amplified as the reason for the problem when there are many contributing factors that are far more influential.

    As an Irish speaker myself, the people who I see doing most to "dilute" the language are Irish people themselves. I've often found foreigners to be more enthusiastic / adept at trying out the language than Irish people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Ah here! I thought €4.5 million was bad, but almost €30 million to service 4 centres!! €1 billion is only the start of the accommodation costs! This is sickening stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    Absolutely delighted to hear the news regarding the Carna Bay Hotel. Looking forward to staying there again once it's fully returned to tourism and contributing a few bob to the local economy. It was an absolutely ridiculous place to be housing refugees/IPAs, good to see the new minister showing a bit of common sense unlike his predecessor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭rgossip30




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I am slowly taking a mental note of the various hotels that are accommodating IPAS/Ukraine and making it my business to never give them any more business. I always Google current and previous names of hotels. Wait for this to eventually conclude and the entire tourism sector will have the hand out begging for cash again. If you got the gift of easy cash from IPAS/Ukraine then let you rot.



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