Toyota bz4x Touring

DrPsychia · 18-05-2025 08:36AM #1

https://youtu.be/925CMk-aX74?si=CUy0WroZtXCa0-oa

https://newsroom.toyota.eu/world-premiere-toyota-bz4x-touring/

What's New:

Estate: Toyota are referring to it as an estate, with a longer, more upright roof.
Looks: Think crossover style - more cladding, tougher appearance.
Longer: It's grown by 14cm (5 inches) compared to the standard bZ4X.
Higher Roof: An extra 2cm of height in the roofline.
Bigger Battery (Slightly): Now 75 kWh (gross).

Charging:

11 kW AC (optional 22 kW).
150 kW DC fast charging (10-80% in about 30 mins).
Manual battery preconditioning now an option.

More Power (AWD Version):

All-Wheel Drive model boasts 380 horsepower
Makes it Toyota's quickest EV (0-100 km/h around 5 seconds).
Front-Wheel Drive also available (224 hp).

Larger Boot:

600 litres of space (150L more than the regular bZ4X).
Remote folding rear seats for a massive flat load area.
Power socket in the boot.
No frunk.

Interior:

Comfy fabric seats (in the trim shown).
High-mounted digital dials (acts a bit like a head-up display).
Large 14-inch touchscreen.
Physical knob for climate control (but it controls the screen).
Software looks a bit dated.
Two wireless charging pads.
No glove box.
Lots of space for rear passengers (legroom & headroom).
Rear seats can be adjusted for more boot space or comfort.

Flinty997 · 18-05-2025 10:19AM

No glove box...???

Kaybaykwah · 18-05-2025 11:46AM

The pre-existing models don’t seem to be all that good compared to their EV competitors. I love Toyota but this isn’t a model I would consider buying unless the technology had been significantly improved. I don’t think it has. The Kias and Hyundais do better, and I am not attracted to them either. The VW ID.4 : wouldn’t touch them with a ten foot pole, they can just buggy in the extreme, but then, VW is never a consideration for me.

Unless Toyota ups their EV game in tech improvements, their hybrid solutions will be the best choice for a while.

MojoMaker · 18-05-2025 01:15PM

14cm longer and that suddenly qualifies as an estate?

Flinty997 · 18-05-2025 01:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123461167#Comment_123461167

I dunno their warranty and honouring warranty issues would attract me to Toyota. The other stuff isn't as critical for me.

Kaybaykwah · 18-05-2025 01:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123461398#Comment_123461398

Yes, it may be tempting because of Toyota’s usual longevity and the warranties. I have been looking at this guy’s videos of Toyota and Lexus issues for a while now. He has a shop in Chicago and services them as a master mechanic, and his assessment of the Bz4x is less than stellar.

https://youtu.be/l2tzln6UD-Q?si=UYOqGv6AfXptXn35

Flinty997 · 18-05-2025 02:23PM

I think the Toyota is less likely to leave you stranded then the other "better" EVs. Considering the litany of out of warranty issues.

Kaybaykwah · 18-05-2025 03:09PM

Well, I just bought a 2019 Rav4 Trail edition after getting my 2011 rav4 v6 totalled by a soccer mom driving a Chevy Suburban. I loved that car, wouldn’t have parted with it, but fate in the guise of a soccer mom decided otherwise.

Flinty997 · 18-05-2025 03:20PM

Tell me your in the US without telling me your in the US.

Kaybaykwah · 18-05-2025 05:10PM

I’m in what some USers would like to call the 51st state. Won’t happen. Lol

AMKC · 18-05-2025 05:47PM

Yell me you are in Canada without telling me you are in Canada lol.

Kaybaykwah · 18-05-2025 06:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123462370#Comment_123462370

Indeed, cheers!

vimalandrew · 18-05-2025 10:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123461448#Comment_123461448

I used bz4x for 2 years ran 85000km. There was not even a single issue. I would prefer it to have two more features-ventillated seats and intelligent speed limit assist as in byd sealion. Last month I returned and bought a lexus rz300e. I should have wait until October when new rz 350e with 600km range arrives.

Now hyundai and kua are giving great offers because new RAV4 will be unveiled on may 20th, chr plus with 600km is coming, refreshed bz4x with 600km range us coming. Then I think an EV revolution is going to happen in ireland as in China and UK.

the_amazing_raisin · 21-05-2025 06:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123462196#Comment_123462196

If you think that's bizarre I've heard some folks refer to Canada as the next new member of the European Union

Personally I'd welcome the Canadians with open arms but I don't think it'll be happening ever

Anyways, back to Toyota....

I wasn't much of a fan of the regular Bz but the big booty version looks class IMO

On the tech side, Toyota are definitely lagging a bit. 150kW peak charging is somewhat pedestrian these days for example

However if you don't fast charge all that often then it isn't much of a problem

I like how they aren't just jumping on every tech "innovation" and are actually trying to make things better for drivers. The real buttons are an obvious one, but I also spotted some models have an infrared heater in the front footwells which is a nice feature for cold mornings

Unfortunately Toyota Ireland are firmly bought into the Paddy spec idea, the models over here seemed quite cut down compared to international models

Kaybaykwah · 21-05-2025 07:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123471762#Comment_123471762

Yes, the Canada becoming part of the EU was a sort of panic move in regards to the US’ descent into Chumpism. Canada has been much too dependent on trade with the US. It’s come back to bite us big time.

My present Rav4 has heated and air conditioned front seats which is nice. The road safety features are good to have. Of course, I used to get a kick out of my old V6, very smooth and peppy. OTOH, I kind of appreciate the more advanced features of the later model.

If I hadn’t been totalled months ago, I would’ve kept that car as long as possible. It was in near perfect shape inside and out, for a 2011. It still had many years ahead of it, I think…

the_amazing_raisin · 21-05-2025 07:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123471920#Comment_123471920

My first car was a 2007 Auris. Nothing exciting but it was a nice car and reliable

I managed to break the clutch by leaving the car in the cold for 6 weeks and a seal on the gearbox went and sprayed oil on the clutch plates

It still took over 6 month for the slippage to get so bad I finally gave in and replaced it

The Japanese definitely know how to build reliable cars. Next car was a Gen 1 Leaf which my wife is still driving, it's never had a significant issue in 7 years of ownership and is 9 years old

I'd be pretty happy to go back to a Japanese brand but I agree their EVs are a bit outdated from launch day. They could afford to be a bit more ambitious

The Koreans have also caught up and have some more interesting and advanced EVs. Then there's the big red nearby which could overtake them all if they keep sitting on their hands

Kaybaykwah · 21-05-2025 07:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123471956#Comment_123471956

Yes, Toyota in particular sort of gambled on the hydrogen technology and were never gung ho on straight EVs which slowed them down.

positron · 21-05-2025 11:47PM

Could have been longer.... Like a jacked up Volvo V70.

JohnySwan · 22-05-2025 07:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123461448#Comment_123461448

You're basing your opinion on an out dated you tube review that is focusing on a variant of the car that we don't have in the EU?

From 2024 they made a few tweaks that make the bZ4x a very good car. I sold my Tesla M3 to get one and I'm very happy with it. Better range than the M3 RWD, better built, 10 year warranty, limo like space in the back. Android Auto/Carplay. What's not to like.

DC charging is great, up to 80%, pointless after that. Driver assistant features are better than the M3 and when I try to open a door with the key in my pocket, it actually opens, every time🤣. It's the little things😁

Averaging 14.2 kwh/100km at the moment on a mix of 120 and 100 limit roads, giving an average range of 450km at this time of year from a 64 kwh useable battery.

Edit: I did watch that video, he said it takes 1 hour to charge from 10-80% which isn't true for the EU FWD bZ (different battery and different charging speeds, Panasonic in the FWD gives 150kw, CATL in the AWD gives 100kw). My tests are 30 minutes to 80%.

Kaybaykwah · 22-05-2025 12:11PM

My bad.

Believe me, I’m happy that it is a better car than what I was told. So, is the variant not sold with same specs in North America, or have they all moved on to better cars?

MojoMaker · 22-05-2025 12:50PM

The original Bz4X was very poor, but along the way Toyota got their sh1t together and improved it for MY24 and brought it into line with the major sellers in the segment.

Rushing? Over confident? Under pressure? Who knows, but it seems like the company is finally taking electrification seriously.

vimalandrew · 22-05-2025 01:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123474587#Comment_123474587

Then why all 50, 60, 70 year old Irish taxi drivers are replacing their old cars with the 'original' bz4x? They have choice of plenty all other brands with more range.

the_amazing_raisin · 22-05-2025 01:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123474658#Comment_123474658

They don't need more range, typical day for a taxi driver is probably less than 200km and basically any modern EV will manage that

Personally I see a good mix of EVs as taxis, plenty of ID.4s, good few Teslas and various others along with the Toyotas

A lot of the current BZ taxi drivers were probably in Corollas or Avensis before that and likely got a better trade in from Toyota than other brands

Plus, as has been mentioned, Toyota have a good rep for reliability and for a taxi driver a broken down car is a loss of income as well as an inconvenience

vimalandrew · 22-05-2025 01:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123474686#Comment_123474686

Why not other brands provide 1 million km battery warranty, but only 160,000km warranty?

the_amazing_raisin · 22-05-2025 01:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123474726#Comment_123474726

Because they don't

I don't know, contact them and ask 😉

Flinty997 · 22-05-2025 02:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123474686#Comment_123474686

In think as taxis replace their ID4s and such, they are shifting to the Toyota.

JohnySwan · 22-05-2025 07:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123474457#Comment_123474457

Pretty sure the North American version is still pretty slow to DC charge. Open to correction on that. All I know is that the current FWD Panasonic battery version is a fine car. The new version has added further improvements.

If you fast charge weekly there're better options, Tesla, Hyundai/Kia 800v etc, come to mind. I fast charge about once a month and the extra few minutes don't bother me. I'll make that time back by not having any reliability issues with my Toyota🤣

MojoMaker · 22-05-2025 08:13PM

1,000,000km warranty is a marketing headline. In reality it could be 100,000,000 - it's irrelevant.

Have a look at the terms & conditions to be eligible for cover up to 1,000,000kms and you'll soon realise you'd go bankrupt fairly fast just trying to stay eligible.

It's marketing fluff and nothing more.

Flinty997 · 22-05-2025 08:54PM

What ever about the 1 million. Its litany of issue with other brands that caught my eye.

User1998 · 22-05-2025 09:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123475893#Comment_123475893

Whats required? A yearly service?

JohnySwan · 22-05-2025 09:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123476027#Comment_123476027

15k or annual. First 3 are included. I think it's just a health check and pollen filter.

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