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Obesity as a Disease - Medication

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,079 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Yeah that's probably true. I think there is often denial involved.

    I remember seeing one of those tv shows where they hid camera around people's homes and followed them during the day, and they said they didn't overeat, yet they confronted them with footage of them at the fridge in the middle of the night, and out eating junk food during the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,202 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    You bring them to waste centres to be disposed. HSE may take them in some areas. Depends on location



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,289 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Yes, to become significantly obese takes a huge amount of overeating junk food over a long period of time. Breaking that cycle is extremely difficult for many but changing to a healthy diet does work and most that say it doesn't have not actually tried it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭glen123




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    For those ordering Mounjaro from the North, note that Corry's refuse to use cooled packaging if you order only one pen (they literally just toss it in a jiffy bag) - in contravention of the express instructions of Eli Lilly. I'll be moving to Belcoo if possible next time. FYI I got my first pen from MyBMI and it was packed excellently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    BTW in case it's useful to anyone, I'm 11 weeks on Mounjaro (currently 3.75mg) as well as OMAD intermittent fasting and am down 44lbs (3st 2lbs). I give OMAD most of the credit but I guess maybe the MJ is helping too. Am planning to step up to 5mg next week after a work trip abroad (don't want to risk it before then!).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Escapees


    Wowsers, you might have to change your username soon enough!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭Dozz


    @Padraig Mor how does My-BMI work?

    Im currently using a different service that involves GP consultations, nutritionists etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    You do a 'consultation' with them every month (just online questions really) and they issue a prescription for that month to their partner pharmacy who dispense the stuff. It's billed separately but the total cost including shipping is €253 each month. Same cost for all pens so it's pricey enough at the lower concentrations but not too bad for the higher ones. And you won't need to pay a doctor locally for a script.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    The "cheating" isn't a helpful term anymore. What actually happens is someone starts reducing their calories - therefore "on a diet" - and they can stick to that for a period of time (different for everyone). Sometimes they lose 5-10% of their body weight over a few weeks. However, what the scientific studies now show is that their body increases their hunger hormones, decreases their fullness hormones and increases the dopamine they get from high calorie-dense foods. There's no "pushing through" that. It's like holding your breath - eventually you have to breathe. So they end up eating the same calories that they ate before starting the diet. Except this time the body has thrown an extra spanner in the works. Because it believes you have gone through a period of food scarcity, it reduces your metabolism slightly. That means that you go back to eating the same calories as you did before starting the diet, and not only do you go back up to your original weight, but you put another 1-2% on. This cycling of diets actually reduces your metabolism. You'd be surprised that many people who might weigh twice as much as you do, don't in fact eat twice the calories.

    What of those that diet and keep the weight off? About 10% of people have genetics that mean the body does not react by increasing hunger and reducing fullness hormones to the same extent. They are the 10% you will find at the front of slimming magazines or on your local gym's website. Thousands of years ago these people would be less likely to survive famines, but that's not exactly a down side in the modern world.

    Because people don't understand how their bodies work, they think that they are morally flawed when they go through this diet cycle. That they can't stick to a healthy diet with reduced calories because they just don't have enough willpower. This feeds into low self esteem which is something that - you are right - something like counselling might help with. Low self esteem can lead to eating an unhealthier junk diet as it gives you short term dopamine. However, counselling is about €70 a session, and it's success will depend on how well trained your counsellor is in this kind of area, and how deeply ingrained some of your beliefs are. In the meantime, you remain overweight or obese which for most people is disastrous for their health.

    A combination of medication and counselling is likely the ideal solution.

    I understand that I'm leaving out some of the other factors that are contributors to the obesity crisis i.e. ultra processed foods and sedentary lifestyles. Doing your best to eat less processed food and getting more active will, of course, help you lose weight and keep it off. The good thing about the medication is that it gives you the space to try and make those changes to your diet without the white-knuckling that happens when you "come off" junk food. When you lose some weight, it makes exercise so much easier. Not least because the head space that is freed up from constantly thinking about food and dieting means you can actually think about other things.

    It is quite a mindset change - to come away from thinking that overweight people are just lazy, cheating on diets or are just not motivated enough to change their ways. In the 1300's the Pope made gluttony a sin during a time of regular famines. Ever since then, being fat has been seen as sinning. Whereas the only way to purge your sin was to do the penance of restriction and exercise. It might be why people bristle so much at medication fixing the issue - you haven't paid your penance as such. It's time we moved away from that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Escapees


    Thanks for that thorough response.

    'The "cheating" isn't a helpful term anymore.'
    Agreed, I was rushing when posting and could have articulated things better.

    'There's no "pushing through" that. It's like holding your breath - eventually you have to breathe.'
    I can't help but disagree with this extreme analogy. My take is that significant psychological factors contribute to insufficient willpower or motivation to 'push through' at this uncomfortable physiological point.

    'A combination of medication and counselling is likely the ideal solution.'
    While my gut instinct is that a combination of counselling and supervised diet management would be the ideal solution, I think the alternative above is a fair compromise. The catch however is that many people with weight issues are very reluctant to get counselling, because in my view they often already know deep down that there's a bulging Pandora's box waiting to be opened...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    60% of the population are overweight or obese. There aren't enough counsellors. And even if there were, I doubt 60% of the population are suppressing some kind of pandora's box of unexplored trauma. Nor would 60% of the population have a spare thousand euro or three to attend a counsellor over say, a six month period.

    For most people, I think, it's a combination of things. A busy lifestyle which has led you to grab convenient short term solutions full of processed crap (that didn't exist 30-40 years ago) that prevents your natural fullness hormones from kicking in. That has led to a weight gain, that you have tried to lose through a restrictive calorie diet without really looking at the quality of the food you were eating or amending bad habits.

    That has led to the diet-binge cycle which over the years just makes the weight creep up and up and metabolism reducing. Of course there may be undiagnosed physical or psychological issues that aren't helping (PCOS, thyroid, depression, ADHD and autism to name a few all effect diet choices and ability to lose weight in different ways) and that's where GPs should really be stepping in. The problem is, GPs aren't trained in this stuff at all. Most GPs will not test you for any of the above if you come in saying you'd like to lose weight. My own GP gave me a HSE healthy lifestyle leaflet and a Slimming World leaflet when I asked about wanting to lose weight. I've since been privately diagnosed with ADHD.

    And that's not to say that there may be other issues at play in disordered eating. Perhaps when you were younger, treats were used as a fix all for every difficult or stressful situation. Or maybe it was the opposite, treats were never allowed and therefore eating them now gives you a sense of autonomy or independence. Believe me when I say that people who are overweight or obese who have dieted a number of times in the past have done a lot of the "work" in exploring how they might have arrived at where they have arrived.

    As to your point "I can't help but disagree with this extreme analogy. My take is that significant psychological factors contribute to insufficient willpower or motivation to 'push through' at this uncomfortable physiological point.".

    I don't blame you for having this viewpoint. It was my own viewpoint for a very long time. The general consensus when breaking any bad habit or establishing a good one is that if you just persevere, the bad habit will be broken and things will get easier. The brain circuitry will rewire and you can carry on with the good habit. Take giving up smoking or learning an instrument for example. It is a massive mindset change for the general population to understand that it isn't just a case of persevering with a reduced calorie diet. I'm not talking out of my hat here - there are a large number of scientific studies proving it. If you want to read further:

    The problem with supervised diet management is that someone has to do the supervising. Who is going to do that? And for how long? It's a bit like handing a drowning person a book on how to swim, when they need a lifebuoy. Medication is that, the lifebuoy. Then we can look at all the other things we need to change in the medium to long term. Ultra processed food, food education in youth, access and time to exercise, parenting techniques, eradicating diet culture etc etc etc.



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    @AndrewJRenko

    Some branches of Boots have a sharps disposal service. Or ask around your local pharmacies, some of them will dispose of sharps for their customers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 mcsexy mama


    Anyone figured out the cheapest way to get Mounjaro. At present I’m getting it from Irish pharmacy but the 5mg is €350. I need an online prescription too have been using smart scripts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭glen123


    Pharmacies in NI. Names mentioned in top posts on this page. Below is the pricing:

    The price is £150 for the 2.5mg and 5mg strengths for a four week supply. The 7.5mg and 10mg is £175 and the 12.5mg and 15mg is £195. 


    You ll need a paper prescription from GP which will need to be posted to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭Minier81


    Your local primary centre will give you sharps bins and take sharps bins (even if you got the bin from your pharmacy or doctor). This is a free public service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭glen123


    My update. Started on 18/03/2025 so today is 2 months exactly, lost 13.5kg with 23kg to go. All this time I have been on 2.5mg and still first 2-3days after each injection I have to force myself to eat (suppression is so strong). Will probably ask GP to prescribe higher doses as per schedule and will microdose to make next 3 pens last me possibly even until I reach my goal weight if I stay on 2.5mg until the end. That’s the plan for now anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    Delighted to hear your progress Glen, and the fact that you are getting such good results from the 2.5mg dose. Have you had any side effects? Have you noticed any reduction in cravings (if that was something you struggled with)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Redzer48


    Hello everyone. I have been on Mounjaro now since October 2024 and I am doing really well - I am now almost at my target weight. However I was getting my pens from a UK pharmacy and they have informed me that under new Irish regulations, they will not be able to sent it to me through Addresspal anymore. Or to any another Parcel Collect business. I need a residential Address in Northern Ireland. I am happy to drive over the border and pick my order up if anyone could help me…. Thankyou



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭glen123


    I have had no side effects at all. I used to eat generally well (no sweet stuff at all, breakfast would have been my main meal) but after a long and stressful day when I finally got to sit down at 9pm in front of TV, I'd be snacking a lot on crackers and this type of snacks (never crisps) which don't fill you in but have loads of calories, taking all these calories with me to bed. Now I only have small snack in the evening and feel full plus feel full all day long which helps to have no cravings in the evening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    Would you order it from an NI pharmacy rather than one from "mainland" UK? NI pharmacies are allowed to post medication to the South. I believe it's something to do with the free movement of goods under the Good Friday agreement. You'll need a paper prescription though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Redzer48


    I have tried that but I cannot even get to enter a southern Ireland mobile phone number and the computer says 'no'.

    Id hate to regress now after coming so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭glen123


    Not sure where you enter the mobile number. Is it when trying to create an Account on Belcoo website? I just emailed Corrys and they replied to me within 30min with pricing. I showed them copy of my prescription - they confirmed it was good and I posted it to them. They then emailed me a link to pay and my stuff was delivered by DPD 2 days later. I didn't bother with any accounts etc - all done via email. As stated above, Corrys are not taking on new patients (although I'd still drop them an email - maybe you'll be lucky), or just email the crowd below and ask if they take on new patients for Mounjaro, ask them for pricings and take it from there. Their website states both New patients are welcome and delivery to ROI is available.

    https://www.belcoopharmacy.co.uk/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Toodles_27


    In the same position. Was notified this morning from AddressPal that they had refused my parcel. I assume we're using same online prescription service. I'm far south in the republic, no chance of getting across the border. I'm considering going to my own GP. Like you, I've done very well on Mounjaro.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭nomoedoe


    Belcoo have on their website that they are not taking on new customers for delivery to ROI but you can collect it from their pharmacy with your prescription



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭glen123


    Strange. On the main page it says "ROI Private Prescription Delivery Options Available". Doesn't say anything about New patients not being accepted. Then again I didn't read all of their website in detail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭nomoedoe


    On the private prescription page when you chose the weight loss injection quote option from the drop down menu on how we can help you it says "Unfortunately, we are not accepting any new delivery patients for weight loss injections, due to high demand. We hope to reopen the service in the coming months."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭glen123


    Since they don’t update their website properly in all areas, even more reason to just email them and see what they say.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Redzer48


    I am running into road blocks everywhere. It is so frustrating, I really don’t want to return to where I was 9 months ago.



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