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Why do people drive unnecessarily large cars (AKA "SUVS")?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,976 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.skatteetaten.no/en/business-and-organisation/vat-and-duties/excise-duties/about-the-excise-duties/road-traffic-insurance/

    Their annual motor tax was replaced by a road traffic insurance tax. For EVs it's 8.96  Krone per 24 hours which is 3285Kr/year roughly €285.

    But they also only have 5 bands as can be seen above. Odd that they recently made the tax liability on owning an EV higher than the liability on owning an ICE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Could be down to weight of an EV over an ICE, usually +500kg more.. and with most EV's being SUV style with mega range batteries it could be 1000kg more than a standard family ICE car…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 Aetherion


    Bigger people need bigger cars… You'd think this is obvious but it didn't occur to me until I was watching one of those shows about a 600 pound man, he needed to rent a car and got the biggest one because it was the only one he could fit into.

    I think for cars over a certain size, due to the added danger and how big their blind spots are, they should require a different type of licence (with training), in the theory test there is nothing about the blind spots of massive SUVs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,139 ✭✭✭creedp


    So its 'massive' SUVs and not all SUVs. Now just need to define what is a massive SUV! For consistency we should also ruminate whether 'massive' MPVs, Van's, pick up trucks etc should be included in the same category



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Bigger people need bigger cars

    erm, bigger (i.e. fatter) people need to exercise as part of a lifestyle change. Part of the problem with why they are overweight is because they use their car and not walk! Facilitating people to become bigger is not something that we should be actively doing!

    If you need to rent a special car because you can't fit into any other then you need to completely re-evaluate your lifestyle while you can!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,139 ✭✭✭creedp


    Was talking to a lad yesterday who had just bought a previous generation 5008. He has only one gripe really in that the 'wrap around dash left no room for his balls'😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Speedline


    I passed my driving test in a Toyota Hiace. I was only issued a B licence. What licence should I have received?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,894 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    More and more EVs if matched with fewer and fewer ICE vehicles means significantly lower pollution levels, which means significantly lower health expenditures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,894 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Ain't it just peachy to be sharing the road with pick-up truck drivers who can't be bothered keeping even one hand on the steering wheel, as their phone use takes up both hands?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Yes that's absolutely ridiculous. Saw it yesterday coming down the M50, one guy with his phone in the holder driving and txtn, had a great view from my van, although he was driving a small car so any driver can be a complete fool no matter what they drive



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,620 ✭✭✭SeanW


    And yet you felt so threatened by this dangerous driver that you had time to align your speed with his (assuming the driver was not stopped), point a camera in his direction and get a perfectly-timed photo, all the while remaining focused on the road and your own cycling. 😏

    Pardon me while I break out the worlds' smallest violin.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,894 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Wait till you work out how helmet cameras work. 🤣🤣🤣



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,864 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    oh dear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭Tenzor07




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,620 ✭✭✭SeanW


    But it's safe to say that our intrepid reporter 😏 wasn't exactly in great personal danger. No?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,894 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Do you need someone to explain the danger arising when the driver of a large heavy vehicle has no hands on the steering wheel and is a bit distracted?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,894 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Basing motor tax on the impact on wear and tear of road surface would be a fairer system.

    Given the 'fourth power rule', this would mean that those who choose heavier vehicles would start to pay for the wear and tear arising;

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,620 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I'm not doubting that the driver is a bit of twat. But something tells me you were not in horrific danger.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,620 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Why? We keep being told that "motor tax" is not "road tax" because the proceeds are not ringfenced for road maintenance.

    Are you now calling for motor tax to be treated as road tax?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,894 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The driver is a dangerous driver. He had no hands on the steering wheel of his large vehicle while driving past a cyclist in busy traffic.

    Your logic seems to be that no one was killed, so it wasn't really that dangerous. You seem to have missed the point, and missed out how road deaths and injuries happen. It's a bit strange to have to spell it out, but if he keeps driving like this, there's a fair chance that he will hit someone. Given the size and weight of the vehicle he chooses to drive in rush hour traffic, there's a great chance that he will kill or injure someone than if he were driving a smaller, lighter vehicle.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,894 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    As detailed above, I'm calling for drivers of heavier vehicles to pay more for the wear and tear they cause on our roads. Which bit of my call was unclear?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,864 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Look, you got it arseways when you suggested that AJR had taken the time to align his speed with that idiot to take photos of him, and since you got that wrong you're now trying to put words in his mouth about how much danger he felt he was in.

    That idiot endangered pretty much everyone he passed; he was not in full control of his vehicle. But that seems to be ok with you because no one actually died.

    I know you'll claim that's not actually what you're saying, but that's what's coming across.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Taxing vehicles by size is just as stupid as the old taxing by engine size method. Neither method takes into account the amount of distance driven on the road in real life.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,864 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    For some reason, abandoning motor tax and loading the difference onto fuel -to actually tax use - seemed to be held with great disdain by a lot of people.

    And that was even before electric cars complicated the matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Motor industry wants to "Save the small car" after all we're not in the USA with their cities designed around the car, as much as European countries have tried to re-shape cities to suit the car: Even though competitors have shifted towards manufacturing bigger cars (mainly exported), Stellantis and Renault sell predominantly in Europe. De Meo said: “The medieval streets in Salamanca, Siena, and Heidelberg haven’t changed dimensions in 20 years and [there’s no space] to make the garage bigger.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    The

    large heavy vehicle

    you encountered already pays motor tax based on weight, as do all commercial vehicles.

    It's a horrid yoke altogether and the driver is a dangerous twat but it's just not nearly as heavy as you perceived it to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,620 ✭✭✭SeanW


    That sounds like a good idea in theory, but in practice given that were a small country with a UK land border, it would open the door to a lot of tax evasion with drivers crossing the border to fill up. That is of course, unless the difference were very small.

    All I am saying is that multiple things can be true at once:

    1. That driver is a complete twat.
    2. Andy goes around looking for things to be outraged by.

    And all of Andrew's anecdotes about the occasional bad driver they encounter does not answer one key question: If genuinely dangerous driving by Irish drivers is commonplace, how come Ireland is near the bottom of global rankings for road deaths, with 300,000,000 vehicle-kilometres between any cause of fatalities? Especially given that blind luck on carries one so far.

    Nothing, it just sounds a lot like road tax :D Do you agree?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Road deaths are not accidents/collisions etc (although I would imagine if a collision resulted in a death then it would be counted as both but you get my point)

    I've had some close passes and dangerous incidents which I have never reported because I know nothing will be done about them. There is a ton of near deaths that happen every day but are not reported.

    We cannot go by only road deaths and say sure why worry about the incidents that didn't result in death. How many close passes have occurred whilst giving cyclists less then 1.5 metres that are not reported? Each one could have become one of those oh so rare deaths you bang on about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,894 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    By weight, yes.

    By fourth power of weight, which is proportional to wear and tear, not yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    The weight and footprint of the

    large heavy vehicle

    is ballpark the same as a Ford Mondeo depending on exact spec, or a Renault Traffic which also comes as a crew cab if you want to keep it in the realm of goods vehicles.

    If the bellend of a driver you captured on camera with his two hands on his phone had been driving either a Mondeo or a Renault Traffic, I'd wager this wouldn't have been the thread you'd have shared the picture on. You're blinded by the shape of the vehicle rather than the actual size and weight, just because there are some big **** off American vehicles that kind of look the same shape even though they're an order of magnitude bigger.

    Roads are designed for the heaviest vehicles. If we're talking city streets, let's exclude arctics, so take an unladen double decker bus at 10 tonnes, the fourth power is 10,000 vs that Chinese piece of **** pickup at 1.7 tonnes unladen, the fourth power is 8.35, so the bus does approximately 1200 times the wear and tear on the roads, or to put it another way, if the road can carry a double decker bus at all, the wear and tear effects of a pickup like that are trivial.

    Even dividing by the passenger carrying capacity for a full bus vs a single occupancy pickup, the fourth power wear and tear argument doesn't hold up in the way you think it does. If anything, taxing directly proportionally to weight would hit the pickup much harder relative to a double decker bus.

    I'm totally on board with modal shifts to public transport, particularly in urban areas, it's the only way forward. Your general tone and hyperbolic statements aren't the way to get people on board with that shift.



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