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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: @nullzero and @Brian? none of your discussion has anything to do with immigration anymore please drop it and move on. I've deleted the last couple of posts. Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    https://x.com/griptmedia/status/1924496067913015799

    Malachy saying what many on this thread and previous threads have posted. A tightening of the immigration rules and providing for our own and those that will benefit the country. Not everything should be about the economy and benefiting corporations.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    2 lads sitting around agreeing with each other. That Gript does some top class journalism alright.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,909 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I expect that if the immigration level is ever brought to zero, our corporate overlords at Gript will be lecturing us on the importance of tax cuts for billionaires as per standard nationalist ideology.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    What Happened... When Ryan Met Hillary Clinton | The Late Late Show | RTÉ One

    I rather that than the fawning in the above RTE linked clip. At least the two lads on Gript spoke of the issues affecting a large swathe of Irish society today.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Globalists, ffs. You do know we rely on the rest of the globe for jobs, food, commerce, stuff like that. Anyway, just look, numbers are down.

    Numbers.png

    https://www.gov.ie/en/international-protection-accommodation-services-ipas/publications/may-2025/

    Post edited by nachouser on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,634 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Malachy Steenson lives 2 streets down from me. We had lots of issues here with windows being smashed and cars smashed up too and kids flying down the streets on scramblers and drug dealing and all sorts. I emailed him and other councillors a few times and he's the only one who didn't get back to me. My neighbours had the same experience. His whole thing is just the anti immigrant ticket. Doesn't seem to care about the real problems in the area. Daniel Ennis and Janet Porter do lots for the area, they have been really helpful.

    Mod - warned for ignoring moderator instruction

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭tom23




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,007 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    https://sinnfein.ie/news/matt-carthy-td-challenges-minister-to-tackle-ipas-profiteering/

    “There has been massive profiteering in the provision of accommodation for those seeking asylum. 

    “People have become millionaires providing unsuitable accommodation in a deeply flawed system while communities have lost vital local facilities including hotels.

    “Minister, can you outline the total amount that was spent on IPAS accommodation in 2024, the projected spend on IPAS accommodation in 2025 and what plans you have to initiate a value for money review into contracts for the provision of IPAS accommodation?   

    “This is an issue that I have been raising for years, including when I was an MEP and when I was a member of the Public Accounts Committee.

    “Do you agree that there is an urgent need for scrutiny of IPAS contracts?

    “How many providers now making millions acquired properties at a discount from NAMA?

    “How have newly established companies with no track record secured contracts for the provision of IPAS accommodation?

    “How have some companies completely repurposed – for example a small café becoming one of the largest financial beneficiaries of IPAS contracts?

    “How many of the companies benefiting to the tune of millions from this deeply flawed system are located outside the state or owned by corporations outside of the state?

    “Recently we saw reports on the case of the company that has been awarded the contract to provide 277 beds for IPAS applicants at Dundrum in Tipperary.

    “In that case Utmasa Limited, a company set up only three months ago with one director based in Mallorca, is set to make millions.  Does this make sense to you Minister and have you reviewed this particular case of which there has been considerable media coverage?

    “Have there been any cases where irregularities have resulted in the cancellation of IPAS contracts?”

    Nice to see Tipperary still in the headlines but I always found it funny there has been good media attention on the Dundrum situation but the government propaganda machine "RTE" never made a mention of the latest on the Dundrum fiasco, not one iota since 2024. Why is that?

    I like Matt Carthy's message here but unfortunately I cannot stand the messengers Party who lets call a spade a spade would be far worse for immigration.

    This immigration industry has created a wealthy 1% in our country over the misery of local communities, all funded by our government. A pain and grief local communities will suffer for years.

    It really is a betrayal by this government



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Sinn Fein seem to have changed their tune, but they've burnt far to many bridges in communities up and down the country. They sided with the government more often than not and insulted the very people who used to vote for them.

    Post edited by prunudo on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭tom23


    sinn Fein have burnt the bridge and been swept down the river shouting Im not really drowning. Wouldn’t even give them a 3 or 4 choice vote now. Spoofers.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Zico !


    Sinn Fein for me are finished I would never vote for them anyway -why are they so open borders ?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Whataboutery.

    That interview was ridiculous. Find me one as bad on RTÉ there.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Any interview with a politician ever on the Late Late Show.

    The recent love in between Kielty and Mary Lou is a good example.

    Soft ball questions that are carefully vetted beforehand.

    I get why some people are critical of Steenson being interviewed on Gript but the pearl clutching is ridiculous when you take it in context of how the Irish media works in general.

    It feels like some people here would prefer there be absolutely no platform for anyone to discuss anything that's critical of not just immigration but absolutely anything the government is involved in at all, because the opposition are absolutely useless and just toe the government line on everything.

    It's surprising there aren't more organisations like Gript in this country considering how lily livered the media are in regards to holding the government to account for anything at all.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The media is almost entirely unanimous in pushing unrestricted immigration.

    Theres barely been a word about Starmers recent statements in the media here. Very significant speeches that have been brushed under the carpet as it would only embarrass the establishment.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?



    The recent love in between Kielty and Mary Lou is a good example.

    Brilliant! I love it. Expecting serious journalism from a comedian on the Late Late. I think you need to recalibrate your standards.

    I wasn’t clutching any pearls. I thought the interview was hilarious. I thought the idea of presenting it as some sort of must see was hilarious.

    I struggle to believe some of the things posted on this thread aren’t satire. Like using the Late Late show to attack the media.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    can you share some evidence that the media is pushing for unrestricted immigration? I find this quite shocking

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    You can look at any politician being interviewed on any RTE programme you like, whether it's the Late Late Show or Prime Time, it's constant soft ball questions.

    There's essentially no difference between RTE and the government now, particularly since the scandal in recent years, RTE is essentially entirely neutered in regards to holding the governments feet to the fire.

    All that said they're in pretty good company because none of the private media companies in Ireland are any better. They all push the narrative that questioning immigration policy is based in far right rhetoric. All telling the same lies until they're accepted as truth.

    When was the last time any hard questions were put to anyone on the topic of immigration on any platform in the Irish mainstream media?

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: Can posters refrain from dumping links about every foreigner who happens to commit a crime - it is not relevant to the overall discussion on immigration unless you are (and I am giving everyone the benefit of the doubt here) implying that every foreigner is a criminal, which is a ridiculous argument to make. If you want to discuss individual cases, start a thread on them instead of doing it here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭enricoh


    A competent, articulate journalist who is not onboard with our MSM pro immigration stance. I take it he's banned from Rte, the tonight show etc🤞😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    The media coverage of immigration really is very weak, because the fear of being seen as racist overcomes the journalists impulse to ask obvious questions. Again, the coverage shows how dumbed down the media has become after many years of cuts. Genuinely, there was far better discussion of immigration when the first large wave happened in the 90s.

    One would hope that would change now that concern about immigration is mainstream and the British Labour party even accepts there is a problem there. Our media love the British left and sneer in condescension at the other British parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    How can we expect the government to implement new tighter rules, when they can't even enforce the ones we have already. Almost every day, there appears to be reports in the media of EU citizens who are before the courts, many with multiple previous charges and often claiming social welfare here, (I won't link, due to mod warning above). One of the rules around EU freedom of movement is that EU citizens must be able to support themselves. If they are a drain on our state we should be deporting them. And equally that goes for any Irish citizens who are a burden on other EU countries.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,909 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Any evidence for this? This trope gets trotted out time and time again and nobody can ever back it up.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/04/28/the-idea-that-immigration-fuels-our-housing-crisis-might-seem-intuitive-but-its-wrong/

    I'd consider this a really poor article, that is clearly ideologically motivated, but it was published by what is still the best newspaper in the country. The fact it is written by an academic is somewhat telling in itself. A generation ago the media had better resources and it would have expected its own journalists to carry out the reserach required.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/mcgregor-immigration-6691475-May2025/

    Have a look at this headline, it's just childish, yet it passes muster at the Journal. And it's written by a comedian rather than a professional journalist who relies on anecdotes rather than research.

    I've made the point in a few threads, swingeing cuts to the media over the last 20 years are having a terrible effect on our society and the public's ability to think about things, because the coverage of complex matters is as likely to be based on feelings as research.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,529 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    An RTE journalist friend of mine, when I dicsuss immigration with him, and why tough questions aren't asked, replies "you can't say that".

    Similarly, last month in my place of work we interviewed for a role, and every short-listed candidate was non-Irish. I mentioned it to a colleague, and he replied "you can't mention that".

    It is as if there is a self-imposed censorship by a majority of the Irish population.

    When Sinéad Gibney stated on a TV panel show during the Euro elections that AS are in such a hurry to leave their origin, that they forget their travel documents, no TV presenter challenged her on her false statement.

    Nobody thought to say: "Sinead, how do they board the aircraft without travel documents?"

    Similarly, in the IT "New to the Parish" series, they never ask the immigrant how they got into the country.

    The media seem to presume that all AS are genuine. It is their job to question their status, which they never do. We know now, belatedly, thanks to Head of GNIB and Ministers, that the vast majority of AS are bogus. (They say 80%, The Head of GNIB said 100%, I contend it's 100%)

    Yet the media continue to present AS, as if they are genuine.

    Similarly, SF TD are against the massive profits being made in IPAS centres (I agree), but they can't or won't see that the solution is to stop the flow of bogus AS past the ports of entry.

    The implication of SF is that the AS are genuine.

    We should not self-censor.

    Mod Edit: Warned for ignoring mod instruction regarding posting of anecdotes

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,529 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I asked about this earlier, and was told that no EU countries enforce this rule. I would like to know more.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,909 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    These are just two opinion pieces though. It's just cherrypicking to pick these two and pretend that they're representative of Irish media as a whole.

    I recall reading the Irish Times one you linked a few weeks back and it doesn't defend the thesis implied by the title at all. It's abysmal, honestly though it may be unfair to blame the author as they don't normally choose the title.

    The second piece is just muck, honestly. I struggled to get past "Poitin-tinged dreams of our ancestors".

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    4 people convicted of murder here in the last 24hrs, not one of them is Irish.

    Our prisons are overflowing with our own scum as it stands and our lax entry requirements are ensuring plenty more from elsewhere are allowed swan in.

    Not only do we get the privilege of them committing their crimes here, we also get the privilege of spending tens of thousands per head incarcerating them.
    People with convictions for violent crimes should not be eligible to permanently relocate to the country.

    Bahaalddin Alshwawrah who was convicted yesterday of brutally stabbing his wife to death had two previous convictions in Jordan, one for simple injury in 1999 and a conviction for simple injury/threats in 2004.


    Oh and oddly enough RTE and the Irish Times both happened to forget to mention his criminal past in the reporting of this story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,182 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    AFAIK our prisons pay a daily rate to prisoners, more if they work inside and also provide Netflix, probably seen as luxury compared to other countries including perhaps their home country

    In other news, for Tipperary (is it just paused until an full planning permission application is lodged?)

    A Co Tipperary premises will not be used as an accommodation centre for international protection applicants, a Tipperary councillor has announced, following inquiries with the Department of Integration.

    Independent Tipperary Cllr Máirín McGrath said that in following up on an original statement a few weeks ago, she could confirm that the Department of Integration is no longer considering Abbey House on Abbey Street in Cahir for use as an IPAS centre following an offer by its new owners.

    “Tipperary County Council had rejected the Section 5 exemption for this building a number of weeks ago so the contract couldn’t go ahead without proper planning approval,” said Cllr McGrath. “No appeal to this rejection was made by the owners to An Bord Pleanála. The only route this property can change use now is to apply for full planning permission.”

    Last week, the Government published a list of accommodation centres returning to their original or alternative use. Among them is Dundrum House Hotel in west Tipperary, which has been the subject of numerous protests and controversies surrounding proposals to offer refuge for international protection applicants.

    The Government has announced that in respect of Dundrum House, 31 residents will be relocated by June 1 this year.

    Tipperary asylum-seeker centre plans scrapped | Irish Independent

    I wonder can PAC look into this spending (as in IPAS accommodation)

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,007 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Concerning Dundrum house, this is the Ukrainans who will be moving out but I'm pretty sure there's still a small number of IPAS with their lovely bikes still there

    The funny thing is the IPAS expansion was stopped because of breaches of planning permission around construction works on the foundation of the former ballroom, the installation of a new wastewater treatment system, construction of a maintenance building, internal roads, a driving range, ball stop nets, parking spaces and the installation of a new ceiling in one of the bedrooms.



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