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M6 - Galway City Ring Road [planning decision pending]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,523 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    Presumably the same people will be happy to drive over the bridge if the engineering was left out of that too and they build it based on random notions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    The state of Galway traffic this evening, the City is not fit for purpose and this should not be tolerated by voters any longer. A small city like Galway should have plenty of roads, public transport and cycle options on a sunny evening like this. Not good enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    One road closed and it grid locks most of the city.

    Ridiculous.

    Get the ring road built quick.

    Get onto your local representatives and hassle them to get a move on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,790 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Galway needs one way systems. The ring road will fail again due to objections court challenges etc. back to square one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,703 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    You're both absolutely right, let's ignore the last several pages of conversation and go back to gurning "de rode" at each other!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    How would that work? One way across the bridge in the morning, and the other way back in the evening?



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    In fairness, in most cities you can close a road to cars and it'll create traffic chaos, so it's not unique to Galway, and not necessarily caused by a lack of ring road.

    If you drive in Dublin at all, you'll quickly learn to dread hearing of a crash on certain roads, as the effects will quickly spiral to gridlock. This happens even on roads that you wouldn't really think are "vital".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,790 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    How about an overpass at the bridge? Continual flow in and out probably cheaper than a bypass?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    An overpass was originally planned for the West side of the bridge crossing over the road, but was rejected on cost grounds. Usual lack of ambition that we suffer from in Galway!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,703 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Do you have more detail on this? How long ago was it and what kind of cost? I didn't remember this at all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    Sorry. No detail. It was the early 1980s and I only know of it from the daughter of one of the design engineers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭gilly1910


    And yet both Limerick and Cork managed to get tunnels, typical small minded attitude in Galway. Galway is in the dark ages when it comes to roads, public transport , cycle lanes, you name it, Galway ever thinks big.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Look at their definition of “city center” that the militant greens keep using

    This nonsense has to stop, build the godamn infrastructure already

    god forbid any infrastructure and/or housing is build in a country with largest population growth in Europe to accommodate said population

    the same anti infrastructure and growth small minded me feiner people here on thread then proceed without a shred of irony to complain in parallel threads about cost of living, lack of housing etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,483 ✭✭✭crusd


    Thank you for sharing the model data that shows massive journey time reductions for 2031 with the GCRR on almost every route modelled. Really appreciate it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    Which is all that’s wanted and needed. Great to know. Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    100% as exepected, a quick glance at the 2046 figures do tell a tale though of where we will eventually end up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,483 ✭✭✭crusd


    Lets demolish Parkmore, Roscam and Knocknacarra and relocate the people and businesses to Dublin instead so, and bring us back to a time when the current road setup was fit for purpose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,317 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    It seems we are getting pretty close to people making the argument that "Urban sprawl is good, actually"...

    Despite the vast weight of evidence against this.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭?Cee?view




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,471 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    This nonsense has to stop, build the godamn infrastructure already

    But if permission to build it is denied, what then? Spend another decade (on top of the two already spent) trying to get permission for a road only or look at a more integrated approach?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Vote the ****ers who want to strangle the city and its population further out



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,813 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Look at their definition of “city center” that the militant greens keep using

    Are you saying that the council are incorrect with their figures?
    It was not the "militant greens" (🙄) who came up with those figures!

    This nonsense has to stop, build the godamn infrastructure already

    …and make traffic worse because, as you already know, that is what the council have told us will happen

    god forbid any infrastructure and/or housing is build in a country with largest population growth in Europe to accommodate said population

    Who has stopped the building of homes? Who has even suggested it?
    The only issue here is a council determined to push ahead with a plan that will cost a fortune and will make moving around Galway worse than it already is!

    the same anti infrastructure and growth small minded me feiner people here on thread then proceed without a shred of irony to complain in parallel threads about cost of living, lack of housing etc

    "small minded me feiner people" - are the insults really necessary to strengthen your argument?
    Out of curiosity, why would someone be small minded for wanting the council to build something that will actually work for the people? Or is your dig just a way to troll the thread?

    Are people critical of the current plans by the council not allowed complain about the cost of living because given the rising cost of fuel, the councils plans will make travelling around Galway more expensive and car dependent (again based on their projections)!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,471 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Not sure what you mean by this. Voting really has nothing to do with it if it is rejected, it'll be on the basis of plans which are approved by the current government and/or EU regulations and we won't be leaving the EU any time soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    I am about as pro EU as they get

    redirecting blame about housing and infrastructure issues from the NIMBYS and Greens onto some vague “but but EU” or “some unelected beuracrats” is why there is increasing anger and decreasing EU and government support

    The population of this country grew 33% in three decades and continues to rapidly grow unlike the rest of Europe where populations are static at best

    We need houses, we need roads, we need infrastructure

    Stop with the nonsense excuses as it gives ammo to far right/left and grows anti EU sentiment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,317 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Right, can you tell me which green party members are currently holding up this road? And what mechanism are they doing it with?

    The proposal is with ABP, if they reject it it has nothing to do with the green party and everything to do with following the legislation and guidelines that exist. If it passes ABP, then it will face at least two JRs, one from Galway Racecourse, one from Friends of the Environment.

    While I'm sure many green party members are also in friends of the Environment, voting to remove them from office (if they hold one) can't stop them taking a Judicial Review.

    If it is rejected at JR stage (like last time) the argument of most here is that it would be due to the slapdash and shoddy nature of the application and its bullheaded refusal to see that it might pass if they tried a more holistic approach.

    The next time this road will see a direct political influence is after all of those when it goes to get final approval by the Government to pay for it.

    Are you saying it will fail then because of greens in power? Which greens are currently in control of the levers of power?

    And if instead this is some mysterious shadowy cabal of "greens behind the scenes" then surely "voting them out" would do feck all as they clearly aren't elected currently!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Personally I think this is essentially ARUP's get out clause so that in 2050 they can say - we told ye so. The NO's are in the doc's there way back in 2023. The road network is re-saturated again with cars. #InducedDemandBaby



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,813 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    We need houses, we need roads, we need infrastructure

    So you want any aul shite built just to say it was built or do you want something that actually works because (and again I'm repeating myself here) the council have told us in no uncertain terms that the road will make traffic around Galway (and I'll put it in caps for you) WORSE. As the council have provided the data that traffic will be worse with the road when compared to not building it, why do you want Galway's traffic to get worse and how exactly will that benefit the growing population?

    I'd also add that the original plan for the road was for it to not facilitate more housing. The council then decided that it would be for housing adding more pressure on this planned road.

    Those "militant greens" with their nonsense excuses just want a transport setup that works, not an expensive load of crap that brings us right back here.
    The council planned something that was never going to work. It failed to get past the basic checks and balances. They've now gone back to the drawing board and after spending even more money on it have given us exactly the same bullsh1t plans which they already know will not pass. So, vent your ire at the council who, for whatever reason are content pissing away millions on a project that they know will make transport around Galway worse and because of this will never be allowed proceed!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Take a trip over to accommodation forum and try to peddle this degrowth ideology there

    Plenty of people who need housing and infrastructure for said housing and are getting angrier and angrier



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,813 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    What "degrowth ideology" are you referring to exactly.
    The facts provided by the council in the planning application is that the proposed road will make traffic worse. So rather than make up that I said something I didn't, maybe tell us why you think it will make things better and in what way exactly?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,317 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    More and more convinced this lad is an AI, comments completely disengaged from the actual conversation and entirely targeting opposition to awful roads planning as "green agenda"

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