Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Any American leaving to colonise the West Bank should be required to gift their Brooklyn home back to native Americans, who in every possible use of logic, have a greater claim to that land than any random Jew has to Palestinian land. ie. None at all. The idea is preposterous.

Israel have certainly done a great job of normalising the murder of women and children on this thread so I am not a bit surprised by above. Only Palestinians.

Hmm - let me guess, I wonder if there is any other Nation currently engaged in extreme hypocrisy and self-indulgence? Ooh, I know!

And I wonder if there is any other State that is as sick and morally bankrupt? Oooh - I know that one too!

Presumably your disdain for SA equally applies to those who have enjoined the case and, for example, Ireland is a hypocrite and is being self indulgent? Or is it just more of the tiresome whataboutery?

As ever, your posts continuously and consistently misinform readers as regards the ICJ - perhaps just a mistake or possibly because the truth doesn't suit the narrative being peddled:

The Genocide Convention obligates all ratifying states to comply with the treaty. So, countries without a direct connection to an alleged case of genocide can legally bring a genocide complaint forward. 

And there is a legal requirement for states to report Genocide.

In that apparently not so significant attack Gaza took hostages some of whom they still hold. They're not exactly helping themselves HAMAS.

Big protest in Dublin today. Anyone have Drone footage of it?

I'm Irish so I'll gladly continue to butcher the Invaders tongue.

No one has any doubt that the surrender of Hamas, the release of the hostages and the withdrawal of Hamas from Gaza is a good idea. But you mistake criticism of that stance as a critisism of a pro-Israeli stance. It isn't.

1. Hamas have offered precisely the three requirements of that argument for months now
2. The above has not been accepted by Israel, multiple times, because they wish to continue the war regardless

As a reminder as to why Israel reneged on the cease-fire and the return of hostages (which Hamas kept to) and continued the war:

1. Ben-Gvir (right wing odious minister) resigned from the govt. because of the cease-fire
2. The Govt. had a budget to pass and needed the numbers
3. Netanyahu reinstated Ben-Gvir to Govt in return for the recommencement of the war and the acceleration of the ethnic cleansing of Gazans.

And to be crystal, no one has "attacked" that poster - the posts certainly. And the counter evidence to those posts has been provided multiple times.

I do recall many pro-Palestinians being attacked, me included - presumably you find that "funny" too?

Pressure on Israel is mounting. Some leaders have the courage to directly confront the Israeli Genocide:

"Taoiseach Micheál Martin has signed a joint statement alongside a number of European Union and non-EU European leaders condemning what they have described as "the man-made humanitarian catastrophe taking place before our eyes in Gaza".

The strongly-worded statement was signed by the Taoiseach, as well as the leaders of Iceland, Luxembourg, Malta, Norway, Slovenia and Spain.

The statement reads that Mr Martin and other leaders "will not be silent" over what is happening "before our eyes in Gaza".

I wonder if the October attacks hadn't happened, what the world would be like today. Israel has totally lost the plot.

What didn't you understand, Mr Grimes.

Israel would crush Iran in a conventional war, and Iran knows this, but it would still be a very costly war for Israel in every sense of the word.

Proxy wars are extremely common for a reason. Exert influence, try and shape a country/region/area, with minimal risk to your own country or political leadership.

Completely agree. I have no problem with the state of Israel existing, but equally believe there needs to be a fully functional, independent state of Palestine.

Interesting piece in the Guardian. Trump's visit to the Gulf has left Israel looking more isolated, and the implicit US guarantee that Israel could count on military superiority in the middle East may no longer apply.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/16/donald-trump-middle-east-tour-should-terrify-benjamin-netanyahu-usa-israel

Trump always betrays those who are traditionally regarded as allies: Israel is just an addition to a list which includes Ukraine, Canada, the EU. Netanyahu should watch out: he might be next.

Saying the Israeli conflict is not about colonialism when 700k Israeli live on illegal settlements on Palestinian land is a bit strange. I'm not sure what else that should be called. The rest of world has decided these are illegal settlements so it is not just an Irish point of view.

I think what is happening in gaza is genocide and fits every description of it, indeed many international agencies and govts even, have called it so. Israels stated intention is ethnic cleansing as they want Gazans to evacuate it and take it over.

It doesn't matter what you read or it's source, to claim others are wrong to state it, or think it, is a bit hypocritical really, given yours is just an opinion you're entitled to, as everyone else's on the thread.

It tells me that you are biased in the sources you read.

I read the Guardian, the BBC, and follow statements made by the UN and made by Israel themselves. I read the Times of Israel and Haaretz. I don't follow anything in any way that is pro-Hamas. In your opinion, are reading statements from Netanyahu and his government bad sources of information?

I literally read more pro-Israel sources of information than anti-Israel, because Israel isn't even trying to hide what they are doing. As the old saying goes, if someone tells you who they are, believe them.

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