Beef price tracker 2

Would you not think an animal would also loose weight in a factory lairage and travelling, a lot of factories take in cattle the night before now and kill cattle to match orders and fill chills, killout is down to the animals make up and the way they are finished.

You did grand with your 2 heifers just wondering what breed we're they

I know one young farmer that did gs, he was giving out that ( they ) wanted to know everything about his farming. A nicer and harder working young man you couldn't get, but ask him how much profit he made on an animal or how much it cost him to produce a weanling, he has no idea.

How is it immaterial between factory and mart, cattle standing or travelling in a mart or factory loose weight, when are cows killed in the factory, as stated above by mr stonewall his reactors lost weight standing, if you were in lairage in a factory after the kill day you will see what cattle loose.

The weight loss between yard and mart is water weight and gut fill weight.
That weight doesn’t count towards carcass weight after slaughter so losing that in the lairage makes no difference.

I may seem pessimistic on this thread however on travelling back from a meeting in Birmingham this morning I came across this note,I asked to speak to the manager who was a veteran of the fast food industry he said that this has happened twice in the last three weeks,the percurement office can not source beef he told me,what do guys on here think

Was that in a UK store?

Yes

Less cattle production due to lads getting sick of being rode. Plenty of opportunities outside the farm gate for those who want to work hard .
Long may it continue .

It has little to do with government regulations. Factories and retailers are reaping what they sowed for tge last ten years. Processors have used feedlots to control the price and expanded Feedlots over the last 5+ years to take the area where lads made a few bob away.

There was always a Christmas bounce until feedlots started to control prices in this timeslot. May/June was similar. They started paying favoured finishers extra to have a core supply during the winter. I used to winter finish until they made it uneconomical for the smaller lad. My costs were higher but my they wanted to pay me 20-30c/ kg less.

In the last few years they bought in things like ABP advantage to encourage U24 months supply.

However this is a world wide issue. The sucklers herds in the US have disappeared due to low prices and drought. Drought is effecting Australia. China's demand for beef is expanding fast.

It's has very little to do with regulations and long may it last. Our biggest danger now is IFA and the rag will start campaigning for a suckler premia.

I am not sure,for me I feel I would have a better chance in the mart & as I said before my highest net profit for cattle was through the mart system, the 18 cattle were all bought by the the same processor based in Slane Co.Meath,I see shrewd men selling fit cattle through the mart I wouldn't like to be buying then for fools,I listen to all opinions & then take action on my own judgement you are very forensic in your assessment of the beef industry which is very informative & that should be applauded,I like go on gut instinct & for me that instinct tells me the mart.

My point is you’re always on about cattle loosing weight and money in the mart and if in the factory you’re better off, what I am trying to point out cattle loose weight in the factory also, I am very well aware of kill out %, but varies hugely in type of cattle and the finish.

But it doesn’t matter what they lose in the the factory. Whether it’s the mart or factory lairage the weight they lose is the contents of their stomachs, dung, urine etc. it’s not the meat off their backs.

In the mart you get paid for whatever is inside them, in the factory you only get paid for the meat and that doesn’t disappear off them.

Surely that’s one of the most basic things for any farmer to know and understand?

I do not as such have a hatred of sucklers. I dislike anything that effects the profitability to farmers. Whether that is middlemen taking a cut of the action, costs added into the system that is not of a benefit to farmers, extra production that has no profit, the pursuit of efficiency or extra production that has no benefit to farmers.

I fundamentally disagree with adding a premium that wiĺl encourage extra production. About 50% of sucklers production are losing money. When any calf lands on the ground about 90% will end up on a hook. Excess production only benefits retailers and processors. A suckler premium only encourages those lads to stay at it.

Young lad bought 7 200 kgs suckler CH heifers 9-12 months old last July for 500 euro. I will make a profit off them, the processors will make a profit off them the lad that produced them is at nothing. They are poorly bred gain of less than a Kg per day. I have a 36 month plus one there at present she is maxed out 1kg per day at present even though she is in a bunch that is being fed 4kgs per head.

I suspect she is only eating 2ish kgs per day. She was bought for 500 as well. She will cash in probably in July up between 2.5-3k. With her is a SI×Fr heifer 7-8 months younger weighting 670kgs doing 1.5 kgs per day ( probably eating 5-6 kgs fair play to her) .

I have no problem with suckler production I just do not agree with it being subsidised

What do you want these suckler farmers to do with the land when the sucklers are all gone because if it is only fit to get a suckler yierling to 200kg ,it certinaly aint going to be able to rear fr bred calves or put flesh on fr bullock .

Your on limestone land which rough ground will never compare to