Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Do you know who controls Gaza city? All the war accounts I follow have moved on from this conflict. Do HAMAS still have a hold on the that city of ruble? Only reason I can think Israel haven't sent in the bulldozers yet.

Israel have undoubtedly gone too far, there's no excuse for denying food and water to children. Question I want to ask though is, How should Israel deal with Hamas, I understand people are against the carpet bombing but what actions can Israel take against Hamas that people wouldn't complain about. When they did the pager attack in Lebanon there were people saying how awful it was, but in that scenario it would seem a pretty reasonable action.

Much like the Israeli backers like the US, why aren't they in there helping the Israelis?

We need to accept that Hamas are being used as a terrorist weapon by other countries like Iran, Qatar a d probably others too. Sniping away at Israel while not getting involved in the wider conflict. Hamas and its backers care as little about the gazan lives being lost as the Israelis.

Aside from other things, body count in that scenario would be much higher than it is now, I guess.

Are you going to try to claim that Israel attacking Iran wouldn't have the Keffiyeh heroes wailing about "Genocide against Iran"?

But Hamas will not accept a state of Israel in any form. They want to see the destruction of Israel. Even under a two state solution Hamas will still attack Israel. Hamas needs to be dealt with, they cannot stay in control.

That's like destroying Ireland and displacing every Irish person to get rid of the IRA.

It's always amazing what comparisons posters can come up with. My maths teacher used to say don't mix or compare apples and lizards..

This is all well and good saying this should happen but the west is under the thumb of the Zionists. Too many Zionists are in positions of power in the West. Changing this will make the west look like Nazis 2.0 and they're already riddled with WW2 guilt. They have us by the balls.

Excuse me my side, a perfect example of you attacking anyone who poses a fair question. Israel is not my side, but why are you seemingly unwilling to accept that Hamas has to be dealt with. I don't agree with how Israel is behaving, but you cannot seriously expect after Oct 7th for Israel to accept Hamas staying in control

In what way am I unwilling to accept it? I think the only way to get rid of Hamas / terrorism against Israel is to actually respect borders and treat Palestinians properly. It's exactly what I said. Let them form a state and over time, let wounds heal.

For that reason, it is hard for me to see the West Bank settlements as anything other than a long-term plan to get the West Bank to turn extremist, fight back, and give Israel the go-ahead to perpetrate the end of Palestine there through military conquest. The West Bank is doing what they "should" and still suffer constantly.

Right now, Israel wants all Palestinians gone from Gaza, after over a decade of complete control over the strip, and it being an open air prison. Gazans simultaneously cannot leave while Israel wants them to leave. They propped up Hamas in order to stop any Palestinian state forming. These are Israel's policies that take precedence over stopping Hamas and their terrorism.

Frankly, the greatest supporters of Hamas before October 7th were Israel, not Iran and whoever else. Letting money flow in to prop them up, while keeping the population in desperate conditions, bred that attack. Israel knew the plans for the attack for literally a year beforehand.

If your take away from Gaza is "Well what else should Israel do about Hamas?", you have completely bought into Israeli policy going back decades. They create the conditions for extremism so they can carry out their overarching plan.

Instead of accusing me of being unwilling, demonstrate willingness by criticising not the response to the attack, but all Israeli policy that led to it, and will lead to more terrorism in the future. You cannot prevent the formation of a state while stealing land constantly, and then cry foul when some of the millions of people suffering through that choose to fight back. Israel has accelerated settlements and theft of land, not reduced it.

Who says that the only way Hamas could be dealt with was to try and kill every single member of the group? It is pure Israeli propaganda that the use of extreme violence, killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, displacing 2m people, starving them and reducing the enclave to rubble was the only possible option open to them.

The most ridiculous part of it is that if France, and I know this would ever happen, but if France and others recognised Palestine as a state, and put peace keeping troops on the ground in Gaza to try and prevent a mass starvation event, Israel would call them antisemitic. It's all religious extremism.

The moral basis of it in their society is that at one point in history, some specific set of people lived there, so people of the same religion now deserve to live there and the current occupants should be removed through ethnic cleansing.

The irony of that is the Palestinian people in the area have more right to be there than Joshua Goldstein who grew up in Brooklyn and was the great grandchild of people who moved there from Russia or Poland in the 19th Century and is no more entitled to land there than I am.