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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,868 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Round and round and round we go.

    As has been stated many times, if you have a qualification and your skill is required, come get a visa and you are more than welcome. Otherwise, we simply don't need you.

    Control the border with a fully functional visa system.

    As for genuine refugees, of which few actually manage to get here, assess the reality of the situation and make a decision within a day/week. Then if you fail, out you go. Where, to your country of origin. Let the taxpayer pay for that because it's a damn sight cheaper than long term care for that person/family. Escaping Birmingham is not a refugee.

    Commit a crime while awaiting citizenship, out you go at your cost if you have a visa and employment. If the decision for potential refugees is less than a week in a enclosed, secure detention centre then they can't commit a crime. Again, if allowed to remain, awaiting citizenship, commit a crime, out you go and the taxpayer will fund that.

    EU national with no job, out you go. EU national committing crime, out you go. All back to country of origin.

    All people are asking for is control. And the state is not listening. We have absolutely zero opposition compared to most of the EU and even the UK. They are all moulded from the same putty. The protests are a clear sign people are unhappy, but they can only be ignored for so long. Deal with it now before either a knee jerk reaction by the public or worse still, a true right wing power gets a hold of minds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Perhaps they shouldn't have a veto over who comes to live in their area, eh?

    Naw, Relief for Donnybrook residents as D4 hotel no longer considered for asylum centre - scorn surrounding vetoes is only reserved for the peasants of Coolock and similar areas. How dare they, racist far away far right peasants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭BandyMandy


    The Irish government is wasting billions on short-term hotel stays tha make private contractors richer, while ordinary Irish families can’t afford to keep a roof over their heads. It’s a total disgrace and a slap in the face to everyone working hard to make ends meet,and they can't seem to see what's happening, we're losing our skilled workers and replacing them with God knows who.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    1.2 billion! That is completely unsustainable.

    1,200,000,000 💶

    I don't care who they are that's not on. (It just rubs salt on the wound knowing no genuine asylum seeker would make it half way across the world to the extreme West of Europe).

    Compare to the children's hospital which produced such bile from the opposition.

    • The children's hospital is a one off cost
    • The children's hospital (theoretically if it gets built) will have utility and be a welcome addition to society


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/05/17/coolock-ipas-centre-government-accused-of-providing-template-for-protests-against-asylum-seeker-accommodation/

    Success as it is for the people of Coolock, unfortunately it still means another thousand people being moved elsewhere instead - a thousand, the majority of whom should not be here under these circumstances in the first place

    We are still on the hook for accommodating all of these people, at the cost of over a billion euro annually. And that is only the accommodation, to think nothing of the day to day costs.

    Thankfully the stricter stance being taken by the Dept of Justice is seeing numbers of applications lodged fall.
    They need to maintain this trend while ramping up processing of the backlog of the other tens of thousands of ungenuine applicants who have managed to get into the system under the dim witted noses of O’Gormon and McEntee.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Why does objecting to accommodation for asylum seekers make you a “patriot”? Can you only qualify as a patriot if you’re anti immigration? Is there some sort of points system that qualifies one as a patriot?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    It is absolutely a disgrace, I fully agree.

    We need real solutions though and not simply objecting to new centres. The government need to prioritise new Gardí and admin staff to speed up the processing of applications and enforce deportations when people’s claims fail.

    That’s what we should be protesting for.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    I think we all agree on this one, we have laws, it just feels like we haven't enforced them in a long time.

    Almost as of enforced deportation are hard and it was just easier to let them stay, regardless of the cost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,455 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    This is not even a number that will stay the same.

    There are more coming each year and that number is going to keep increasing.

    Imagine what we could do to the country if that money was invested.

    Imagine what is going to happen when we have a recession or multinationals leave.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Actually, there’s pages of people telling my I’m wrong and we need new tougher laws.

    People telling me we need laws “like Denmark”. Who have the same laws but enforce them better.


    I’m offering boring, practical solutions though. With no sensationalist quotes from Gript though. So I’m not in touch with the mood of the patriots.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,913 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm not seeing any patriotism in people who are happy to march with loyalists in Northern Ireland. Hard right ideology makes strange bedfellowes I suppose.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭enricoh


    do u think the swedish wished were more patriotic n that they protested more a few years ago? It's working out swimmingly well for them Brian isn't it?

    Don't worry folks we're getting all the nice ones, apparently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,014 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Burning police vehicles so they naturally must shout that God is the greatest.

    There's a supremacist edge to these people that is ignored for fear of causing offence.

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    How is that an answer to my question?


    what makes these people patriots?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Some people hide behind religion to act like thugs. Some people hide behind patriotism to act like thugs. Both are wrong.

    You know it’s ok to criticise people’s behaviour without denigrating either their religion or nationality?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Do you think the people criticise the approach to immigration don't want real solutions?

    They know the Govt will never have the balls to just not let people into the country in the first place and deport people so the only option available is to protest what is happening locally to them.

    I'm pretty sure most people who have issues with the country's approach to immigration would much rather there was never such a thing as an IPAS centre in the first place and that immigration as a whole was very controlled.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    people in this thread aren’t interested in real solutions. They’re only interested in overly simplified ideas we can’t actually implement.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    To be fair for some reason the government haven't implemented many of your suggestions above to date.

    I think when people see we have existing laws and these are ignored they look to other solutions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Absolute horsesh!t.

    This country is sovereign. We can absolutely introduce an immigration system that prioritises skilled immigration.

    No one has a problem with a skilled engineer from Lagos or a surgeon from Lahore coming here to work. If a person can support themselves and fill a gap, it's almost without question not a problem.

    The problem with the ideology the Marxists that you frequently espouse here (in fairness, the government too) is that no one should distinguish the suitability of immigration based on skills.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    it’s hilarious that you can my post “absolute horseshit” and then post complete nonsense.

    We have an immigration system that prioritises skilled immigration. It’s extremely difficult to move to Ireland from outside the EU without visa sponsorship on a skilled immigrant visa.

    @Luxembourgo this is what I’m talking about. Most people don’t even understand our current system.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    the government haven’t bothered their hole because they only bother their hole with issues that are important to re election. Now immigration is becoming one of them, I assume they’ll act.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    extremely difficult 

    Make an asylum claim, yet the deportation rate is less than 1 for every 100 that make a claim.

    Come here supposedly on higher education, maybe attend a few English language courses, but eventually get indefinite right to remain after doing a bit of driving for takeaways.

    Come here on a supposed critical occupation list like a home carer, get a work permit, but then use it for a few months to get your foot in the door and work/not work some where else.

    It's clearly not difficult at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Some people hide behind 'political correctness' to act like thugs. That is also wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Can't people protest both? Personally speaking I'd have no issue with objecting to new centres and hammering the Government on their lack of speed in enforcing deportations upon failure of applications.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Why? Because there are thousands of Irish natives who cannot secure accommodation.

    Can you only? Strange question - like asking can you only qualify as a liberal if you're pro-communism.

    Points system? At the risk of being rude, probably a common sense level of substance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/16/keir-starmer-x-immigration-albania-enoch-powell

    This is quite hilarious.

    The Guardian are now comparing Starmer to Enoch Powell.

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    Simon Harris should condemn his London chum.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,913 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Liberalism is the direct opposite to communism. All you've shown here is ignorance of both concepts.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,176 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    2 lads having their first and last pints until next look at normal me photo op.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    It’s extremely difficult to move to Ireland from outside the EU without visa sponsorship on a skilled immigrant visa.

    Can you outline the difficulties (and especially the 'extreme' aspect) in reality? Can you present plenty of evidence that people are denied entry to Ireland and their return to point of origin is enforced without fail? Given the statement above, it should be very easy to show the figures supporting your claim.



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