Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Just looking through the Beeb live feed there - the situation in Gaza is desperate.

There will be deaths from starvation in days.

Israel is a shameful nation.

I agree with you btw so I'm not disagreeing with your post.

Why did Egypt refuse passage to Palestinians seeking refuge outside Gaza before Israel took over those border crossings? Did they do it for selfish reasons as previously Palestinians in Egypt had caused social unrest? Even if this is a valid excuse as a "supporting" neighbour should Egypt not be held accountable for it's actions with a neighbour in dire need of help?

It would have been very helpful to have much of the women and children out of this disaster Israel are cooking up. Imagine Poland and Hungary didn't allow Ukrainians to flee at the start of the war.

some awful pictures coming out today.

I’m probably in the minority, as most seem to see the BBC as a mouthpiece of the pro Israel imperialist west, but I have found their reporting of the crisis inside Gaza to be excellent.

It would be remiss to fail to mention that some Israeli citizens are as appalled at events as many others.

"Some Israelis are deeply disturbed at the conduct of the Gaza war.

Yael Noy heads the charity Road to Recovery, which drives sick Palestinians to hospital appointments in Israel.

She told me she’s now ashamed to say that she’s Israeli.

"I’m begging the world, please help stop this war now. It’s being waged in my name. I want to be a good person. But my taxes are being spent on a war that has killed thousands of kids. We are carrying out genocide now. And I can’t talk about it in Israel,” she says."

No doubt in terms of percentage killed the Gazan conflict will rank a lot higher and yes we are possibly on the cusp of a catastrophy in terms of a famine. That could drive the numbers up significantly. Would Egypt still refuse to allow women and children leave in this scenario?

I agree. But nobody is willing to help them. As bloody as Israel's bombing has been it all pales compared to forced mass starvation. The pure badness of doing something like this is unparalleled in modern times. I can't believe a western democracy, nevermind one who came about due to the holocaust, would actively pursue something like this.

I also am absolutely amazed and sickened that no other country has tried to drop aid into the Palestinians. The world watches this evil and, at official level at least, does and says nothing. The lack of morality cannot be explained. The lack of action form a western perspective completely destroys the idea of our shared values and standards imo.

They aren't a Western democracy though, I'm not taking a dig at you but this is a trap people fall into in buying into this narrative that gets spun about Israel. An actual Western/liberal democracy doesn't commit acts that are at best ethnic cleansing, or at worst genocide, despite what the various apologists will try to argue.

Yea look, call them what you will - they are a democracy in my view (surely more this than a dictatorship), albeit one with undoubtedly supremacist leanings and also practice apartheid.

Nonetheless, they are supported, funded and enabled to commit genocide by the west. In the minds of many they represent western values in the middle east - and given the lack of action by any western government in stemming this slaughter - which at this stage can only be deemed complicity imo - it is extremely difficult to argue against this.

As long as we in the west do nothing, say nothing, no sanctions, no pressure, no outright condemnations, no halting of arms - we cannot say Israel are different to us.

I don't know the answer, but its prob a mix of a number of points. As you say some would be troublesome, maybe egypt didnt want 2m refugees, maybe their wasnt much demand from palestinians to leave, as they prob knew they wouldn't get back. Why should other countries take palestinians and the cost for resettlement/integration when Israel steals their land, homes, businesses.

The focus needs to be on the guilty and not the victim when looking for a way to stop and prevent this from happening again.

this. If it was was any other country it would be shock and awe. But it's people that are a bit black and a bit islam, so their lives matter less. That's the crux of it. Never again happening again.

It used to be a conspiracy about a certain group "controlling" the world but it's not even a conspiracy anymore. They have more influence on the western world then any other "minority". Very smart people managing to put themselves in that position but try telling that to the Palestinians.

Yes, South Africa. A country where 10% (and rising) of the population supports this guy, should start with their own politicians if they're that worried about their "duty to prevent genocide."

Julius Malema singing “Kill The Boer, Kill the Farmer” at EFF Land Reclamation Day in Johannesburg

These guys are lot closer to home for South Africa than some conflict 6,000km away.

But hey, nice to know that we are on the same side as those guys as well as the most horrifying dictatorships on Earth, the CRINKs bloc.

Not a euro vision fan, but just reading Israel made it through to the final. They're not as ostracised as they should be!

Oh here we go. Is it broken record day again? Let me guess, you are not available for questions...

2 weeks ago, the right-wing Israeli journalist Yinon Magal posted the following on X: “This time, the IDF intends to evacuate all residents of the Gaza Strip to a new humanitarian zone that will be arranged for long-term stay, will be enclosed, and anyone entering it will first be checked to ensure they are not a terrorist. The IDF will not allow a rogue population to refuse evacuation this time. Anyone remaining outside the humanitarian zone will be implicated. This plan has American backing.”

What would you call it?

But but student union something something…

I don't think there's a need to disturb one and only successful echo chamber thread on boards. Unless you would like to face inevitable universal and common question here 'so you support genocide?'

Whenever you disagree with something posted here.