Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Just caught some comments from David Mencer on the BBC.

Sickening, and infuriating to listen to.

To think they believe what they are coming out with, and worse still, to think they believe they can try and convince others that what they are saying is true.

it's a powerful piece alright. That people still cheer on Israel is incredible in the face of such horrors.

But some have made a consistent stand - Ireland in particular. Excoriated for it of course but we did lose the odious ambassador I suppose. And whilst many are constantly forced by Israel to condemn what Hamas did (squirrel) many have made those condemnations with the Israeli strong-arm tactics.

The public can only protest - it is Governments that need to put the actual pressure on. Govts are increasingly protesting vocally - but are going to have to put their actions into effect and not just pay lip service. I suspect those recently jumping on the bandwagon are doing so to avoid being tainted with "standing idly by" while the Genocide unfolds before their very eyes. But some, like Ireland, have been consistent from the start.

The ICC and ICJ will copper-fasten the legalities in due course.

It is also important to note the unrest amongst Israelis and their capacity to protest also. Haaretz have never flinched from investigating and publishing the truth. Just like Fergal Keane. And Haaretz are sanctioned by the Israeli govt so they must be doing something right.

There will be those who can rightly say that they did what they could and not stand idly by - even if that is only informing others of the truth.

There are those who tacitly approve of Israel, others who justify and fully support the atrocities of course. But that's on them. They will have to live with it - like Germany still does.

I do believe that when the full truth eventually comes out, the actual horrors committed by Israel with be without parallel.

This genocide should not be normalised, yet so many people are complicit in silence those of us who speak out against the Zionist murderers.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/some-idf-officers-warn-gaza-could-face-starvation-in-weeks-without-new-aid-report/

If even the Times of Israel is reporting it think we can safely believe how serious the situation is now.

Also, do you think that because some people in Ireland during the 1840s had food a famine did not occur?

Israel will never let the international press in to full expose their atrocities.

But we are seeing Palestinians going through the rubble of bombed hospitals etc. Who is videoing that?

Randomer posts video of food on twitter = undeniable proof there's no famine

"political analyst" 🤦‍♂️😂

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-hospital-attack-analysis-contradicts-israels-evidence-justifying-airstrike-13367823

So Israel apparently targeted a Hamas tunnel network and underground command centre under a Gazan hospital showing a mock up of their target, except it wasn't a hospital but a school a few streets away.

Rather than being plain up modern day Nazis, they're also hapless. Their propaganda doesn't even stack up anymore. Hard to keep track when you bomb at will I suppose.

I said nothing about RTÉ or the BBC or Fergal Keane. Haaretz and the New York Times are biased against the current Israeli government and so I take what they say about the war with a pinch of salt.

First of all, Israel was provoked, Russia … not so much.

But let's assume for the sake of argument that this fantasy genocide of yours was actually real: If the Israelis are as keen to get rid of the Gazans as you claim, then they would surely welcome any other country's agreement to take them and do everything to facilitate their transfer to that country?

Of course, this is not happening and you need to explain why 3rd countries taking Gazans would be "facilitating the ethnic cleansing of Gaza" while Poland, Romania etc weren't accused of helping Russia the same way by taking in Ukrainians from the Donbass. Should we have told Ukrainians fleeing Luhansk for example: "if we let you leave Ukraine we will be facilitating the ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians by Russia?"

Of course not, because that argument is B.S. So the question is: why were Ukrainians - justifiably so as actual legitimate refugees - able to find refuge in neighbouring countries in the same region, but the Gazans can't be rescued and resettled in any other MENA country? Especially since by your claims, Israel seems so keen to get rid of them.

It seems to be a rather recent term, prior to 1967 the West Bank was Jordanian and the Gaza Strip was Egyptian.

It's not a narrative, it's happening. Just because you couldn't care less doesn't mean it's something people are making up. I'm not trying to compare Ireland in the 1840s to Gaza, I'm just highlighting that apologists like you would probably have been trying to dismiss people starving to death by pointing at someone eating a steak.

"Fantasy genocide", "as you claim".

You must be watching/reading news reports that are unavailable to everyone else or you're simply entirely making up a narrative that doesn't exist.

Israel does want to cleanse Gaza of Palestinians - it's not my "claim", Israel has stated it multiple times.

And if my statement of genocide is fantasy, the rest of the world is also living the same fantasy. It appears you are the only one who knows that there is no genocide. So who exactly do you think is living in this fantasy land?

If Israel does not want to cleanse Gaza of Palestinians, as you seem to believe, why isn't Israel taking them in?

I doubt you'll answer that - but everyone else knows why. That's the Genocide.

Anyone who still supports, defends or justifies what Israel is doing is either misinformed or deluded. It goes without saying really that they are also morally bankrupt and devoid of humanity. It's nauseating.