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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    This genocide should not be normalised, yet so many people are complicit in silence those of us who speak out against the Zionist murderers.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    What is said by a few Israeli officials anonymously is not proof.

    Imshin regularly debunks the Gaza famine narrative with videos that are time-stamped and, therefore, verified.

    Here's an example:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.timesofisrael.com/some-idf-officers-warn-gaza-could-face-starvation-in-weeks-without-new-aid-report/

    If even the Times of Israel is reporting it think we can safely believe how serious the situation is now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    What motivates your absolute lack of humanity when it comes to the Palestinians?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Also, do you think that because some people in Ireland during the 1840s had food a famine did not occur?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    So what Israeli officials says is not proof but what "Imshin" says is. Jesus wept.

    Sure call off the ICJ genocide investigation, the whole thing has been cleared up on Twitter....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,992 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Israel will never let the international press in to full expose their atrocities.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,517 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Of course there will always be questions about journalists' reports. But I'd put a lot more trust in Haaretz than a video on a social media platform. Bear in mind that journalists who work for a living would have a very short career if they told lies. The likes of Haaretz, RTE and the Beeb have a pedigree of honest truthful reporting. They don't always get it right but they immediately fess up if they get it wrong.

    And Haaretz has gotten all material facts correct in the past. Their sources are robust - probably IDF soldiers with some moral conscience.

    Do you believe that the video exposes Fergal Keane or Haaretz as frauds and liars?


    Edit - the Haaretz report is a quote of a New York Times report.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,376 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    But we are seeing Palestinians going through the rubble of bombed hospitals etc. Who is videoing that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,517 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Good point. I'd extend your opener to "no genocide should be normalised".

    And that makes the current Israeli Genocide even more ironic given events of 80 years ago.

    This is a "Through the Looking Glass" moment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,600 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Randomer posts video of food on twitter = undeniable proof there's no famine

    "political analyst" 🤦‍♂️😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,713 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 11,249 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Netanyahu said the Israeli government had established an agency to oversee the exit and resettlement of Gaza's population, but faced "one problem: we need countries to receive them." Netanyahu said the government was "working on" the issue and asserted that over half of the Strip's population would leave if given the option – "much more, in my opinion."

    So Bibi has a "Madagascar Plan" or Maybe he should just call it a "Resettlement to The East"

    The whole lot stinks of what happened in WW2 and Hitlers deportation plans….we all know what happened there.

    How does he know that over half the population would leave? Was there a survey taken? A few transition year students standing around with clip boards? Maybe it was a Journal poll?

    The Nazis also had a hunger plan to wipe out populations.

    Hes a scumbag and every bit as bad as the Nazi leaders.

    Maybe Bibi has German relatives?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 11,249 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Thats a sick vile post to be posting a few posts after the BBC have shown pictures of dying kids in hospitals and this is how you rebuke those pictures.

    The world knows whats happening in Gaza and theres really no need to post crap like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-hospital-attack-analysis-contradicts-israels-evidence-justifying-airstrike-13367823

    So Israel apparently targeted a Hamas tunnel network and underground command centre under a Gazan hospital showing a mock up of their target, except it wasn't a hospital but a school a few streets away.

    Rather than being plain up modern day Nazis, they're also hapless. Their propaganda doesn't even stack up anymore. Hard to keep track when you bomb at will I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*




  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I said nothing about RTÉ or the BBC or Fergal Keane. Haaretz and the New York Times are biased against the current Israeli government and so I take what they say about the war with a pinch of salt.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I don't lack humanity towards the Palestinians - I'm merely being skeptical about the Gaza-famine narrative.

    There's no comparison between present-day Gaza and 1840s Ireland. If radio and TV had existed as far back as the 1840s then the famine would've been prevented because broadcasters would've informed the British public and there would've been a public outcry about food insecurity in Ireland - and there hadn't been much political violence in Ireland since the defeat of the 1798 rebellion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,072 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    First of all, Israel was provoked, Russia … not so much.

    But let's assume for the sake of argument that this fantasy genocide of yours was actually real: If the Israelis are as keen to get rid of the Gazans as you claim, then they would surely welcome any other country's agreement to take them and do everything to facilitate their transfer to that country?

    Of course, this is not happening and you need to explain why 3rd countries taking Gazans would be "facilitating the ethnic cleansing of Gaza" while Poland, Romania etc weren't accused of helping Russia the same way by taking in Ukrainians from the Donbass. Should we have told Ukrainians fleeing Luhansk for example: "if we let you leave Ukraine we will be facilitating the ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians by Russia?"

    Of course not, because that argument is B.S. So the question is: why were Ukrainians - justifiably so as actual legitimate refugees - able to find refuge in neighbouring countries in the same region, but the Gazans can't be rescued and resettled in any other MENA country? Especially since by your claims, Israel seems so keen to get rid of them.

    It seems to be a rather recent term, prior to 1967 the West Bank was Jordanian and the Gaza Strip was Egyptian.

    https://u24.gov.ua/
    Join NAFO today:

    Help us in helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,108 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Yes, the genocide and starvation is completely made up. You clearly know better than the UN



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    It's not a narrative, it's happening. Just because you couldn't care less doesn't mean it's something people are making up. I'm not trying to compare Ireland in the 1840s to Gaza, I'm just highlighting that apologists like you would probably have been trying to dismiss people starving to death by pointing at someone eating a steak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    They're people Sean, not a term. Do you even view them as human beings? From your posts it isn't very clear, especially as you seem incapable of acknowledging that killing innocent Palestinians, including children, is a bad thing.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 11,249 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    But let's assume for the sake of argument that this fantasy genocide of yours was actually real:

    So again Ill ask @SeanW why is it not a genocide. Ive asked this every single time a Pro Israeli supporter has said its not and not one of you has given a reason when multiple agencies have said it is. And Im going to keep asking it.

    You`ll probably do your usual and disappear for a few days now until the next time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,376 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    So then no reason why we can't see footage of the atrocities being carried out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,517 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    "Fantasy genocide", "as you claim".

    You must be watching/reading news reports that are unavailable to everyone else or you're simply entirely making up a narrative that doesn't exist.

    Israel does want to cleanse Gaza of Palestinians - it's not my "claim", Israel has stated it multiple times.

    And if my statement of genocide is fantasy, the rest of the world is also living the same fantasy. It appears you are the only one who knows that there is no genocide. So who exactly do you think is living in this fantasy land?

    If Israel does not want to cleanse Gaza of Palestinians, as you seem to believe, why isn't Israel taking them in?

    I doubt you'll answer that - but everyone else knows why. That's the Genocide.

    Anyone who still supports, defends or justifies what Israel is doing is either misinformed or deluded. It goes without saying really that they are also morally bankrupt and devoid of humanity. It's nauseating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    If taking refugees is partaking and aiding genocide, I'd be confused. We took in loads of Ukrainians etc, refugees from all over the place. Are we partaking in genocide all over the place?

    It'd be interesting to see what would happen if a bus load of Gazans were coming to a hotel or center near you or me what the reaction of the wider Irish community would be to that, would we be celebrating the lives saved, or protesting that we might getting terrorists? That's when you'd see what was really thought of the plight of Gazans. It would be interesting to see the reaction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Are the aims of Putin and Netenyahu not completely different?

    I don't believe Putin wants to kill/remove all Ukrainians. He sees Ukranians as Russian - he wants to annex territory/ take over politically, so that rival countries don't have influence or strategic advantage so close to Russian borders. He (like Netenhau) is a sociopathic scumbag, but that is my understanding of it. Palestinian civilians are in a completely different kind of peril than Ukrainians. Israel wants to wipe them out from that land (either through murder or expulsion), and give their land to Israelis.

    Allowing Ukrainians in fleeing war does not in any way make you complicit with Putin's goals. In your opinion, does taking in Palestinians make you complicit in Israel's?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I just asked the question mini. You haven't addressed that.

    The situation on the ground in Gaza is dire, so if taking people out of it saves lives is it not worth considering doing that, letting it happen without any action, is that a better solution?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,517 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel wants to cleanse Gaza completely of all Palestinians. Anyone facilitating that is aiding ethnic cleansing and thus Genocide. Israel will not let the Gazans back in.

    Comparing taking in Palestinians from Gaza with taking in Ukrainian refugees is a false equivalency.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    OK. So without further intervention and actually something happening to stop Israel its better to standby and let the Gazans die and live in a hell like situation than take them out and try to save lives?

    If Israel realises its plan and no international intervention happens, when in your mind is the right time to take out people who want to go for instance. Would you rather they were all killed as a matter of Gazan honour?



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