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Kneecap - New Footage *Read OP for Mod Warning*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,429 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Give me an example of something they've said that expresses hatred towards the people of Britain. Not institutions, but people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,429 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Give me an example of a remark of hatred towards the British PEOPLE by Kneecap. Any example at all.

    And you must be aware of how popular they are on that island. 45,000 tickets sold in one day for their gig with the Fonts in Finsbury Park. Streams and sales hugely increasing soo a big platform to inform people about Gaza. As with the GLAN High Court action this week.Long past time to stop the genocide and child-murder. Never Again!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    Here are some more British people showing solidarity with Kneecap.

    https://nation.cymru/culture/over-100-welsh-musicians-issue-joint-statement-over-kneecap-and-gaza/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,429 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Alongside the likes of English musicians such as Paul Weller, Massive Attack, Sleaford Mods, English Teacher, IDLES, Pulp, etc.

    People who recognise that killing babies in Gaza ain't cool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,888 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    An MP is a person.

    "Kill your local MP"

    Are you trying to downplay that as an attack on an institution rather than a person?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,888 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Shouting Up Hamas and Up Hezbollah is not protesting against genocide, it is encouragement or terrorism. Simple as that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,429 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    You accused Kneecap of racism. You accused them of anti-Britishness. How could that be manifested by an exhortation to attack a certain miniscule group of people as opposed to an entire peoples?

    Do you have any example whatsoever to Kneecap expressing hatred towards the people of Britain? You don't. Hence the failed deflection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    You said "they didn't protest against genocide"

    That's a lie. They have repeatedly made their feelings abundantly clear on that front.

    As for whether or not they support Hamas / Hezbollah, let's look at the evidence:

    On the 1 hand you have a written statement from the band which reads

    "Let us be unequivocal: we do not, and have never, supported Hamas or Hezbollah. We condemn all attacks on civilians, always. It is never okay. We also reject any suggestion that we would seek to incite violence against any MP or individual. Ever"

    On the other hand you have a shouted slogan during a performance filmed on a phone in 2023.

    Let's be honest here, it doesn't take a genius to see that anyone who chooses to attach importance to the latter and ignore the former has obvious ulterior motives.

    Their statement quite literally could not be clearer.

    Fortunately the quest to censor, cancel and silence them looks like it will fail.

    Kneecap will spend the summer putting on spectacular shows to hundreds of thousands of people and spreading the word about the atrocities that are going on in Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Not too long ago an individual made an online threat against Mary Lou McDonald and Drew Harris, and Mary Lou McD demanded he be prosecuted and he got 3.5 years in jail here in Ireland. If that is the case, then surely the Racist Band Kneecap , who were photoed on top of what looked like a vandalised PSNI land rover, acting as dissidents, deserve to be prosecuted as well for those death threats / encouraging others to murder English MPs. ( but not Irish MPs of course).

    One thing has come of it all though: by associating the Irish language with three extremist Irishmen who proclaimed support for terrorism / terrorist organizations, they are alienating so many from the Irish language, who will see the language as something used by 3 men named after a torture practice used to maim boys, and who support proscribed organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah. and who have acted like dissidents?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    Ah Francis come on!

    Is that the best you've got. Trying to equate an old phone video to the lad who got jailed?

    Trying to claim that a band who declared:

    "Let us be unequivocal: we do not, and have never, supported Hamas or Hezbollah. We condemn all attacks on civilians, always. It is never okay. We also reject any suggestion that we would seek to incite violence against any MP or individual. Ever"

    are extremists who proclaimed support for terrorism when they've literally done the opposite?

    What's your motive here?

    The lads aren't gonna shut up about the atrocities. In fact they're going to highlight them to hundreds of thousands of punters over the next few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Their "declaration" showd them to be liars as they were caught on camera doing the opposite. It's a lot more dangerous to dress in a balaclava and incite followers to murder MPs in England , esp when MPs have been murdered by men in same style sinister balaclavas, than to rant alone to computer in bedroom in Rathfarnham without followers. So how come the fellow in the bedroom got 3.5 years, Kneecap deserve more in jail for doing worse in front of a crowd of followers? Why should a SF politician who is threatened demand and get preferential treatment, which would happen if Kneecap get less than 3.5 years in jail?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,429 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    So why is there popularity enormously increasing, both in Ireland and the UK? Could it be that the youth in these countries do not approve of Israel killing babies?

    They're going to be spreading their anti-genocide message to millions of people this Summer, either at live shows or in TV appearances.

    Why are you supporting the deliberate killing of tens of thousands of children?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    Quite the opposite.

    What Kneecap deserve is universal praise for standing up and condemning attacks on innocent civilians when it would've been easier to just say nothing.

    For some reason it seems to irk you that 3 rappers can reach out and get that message to thousands upon thousands of people. It's a good message. You should embrace it.

    The "argument" you have against them involves someone from Rathfarnham?? You are either very confused or scrapping a metaphorical barrel. I haven't a scooby do what a bedroom in Rathfarnham has to do with atrocities in Gaza??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Did the Racist Band Kneecap condemn the Oct 7th attack on Israel which ignited the current conflict, when Hamas murdered 1200 innocent people, killed babies in front of their mothers before killing or kidnapping them ( they kidnapped 250, some of which are still held by Hamas ). No, instead the very next day, when the bodies were hardly cold, they were photographed grinning and congratulating the terrorists in front of a Palestinian flag.

    Anyway, the reason they have gone so quiet and their manager, never mind they, will not say if they shouted UP HAMAS or not ( he was asked this question about 10 times on Newstalk and refused to answer before the interview was terminated } and their popularity declined / concerts cancelled is because people do not want to be associated with this racist band. Its not cool to call for the murder of innocent people, even if they are politicians you do not like. Of course some people will always side with those who sometimes dress / act like dissidents ( sitting on top of what appears to be a vandalised / damaged PSNI Land Rover etc ) or who call for murder etc. Its also not cool of Kneecap to side with Hezbollah, who killed an Irish soldier, but of course Kneecaps followers do not know that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    "they have gone so quiet"

    🤣

    To think just 24 hours ago I was actually taking your posts seriously!!

    Northside, Primavera, Glastonbury, Best kept secret, Eurockeenes, TRNSMT, Pukkelpop, Green Man, Rock en Seine, …

    Now those names may not mean much to you but anyone with even a passing interest in music festivals will know that that's a MASSIVE summer schedule and I've haven't included many other massive events that they'll be playing this summer.

    Face facts. Kneecap will be spreading their message of peace and opposition to genocide to hundreds of thousands of punters this year and no deflecting whinings about rathfarnham or newstalk or old mobile phone footage is going to stop them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,429 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    You have a source from 8 October 2023 of Kneecap celebrating the attack on Israel? Why didn't you provide this when asked twice before?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,888 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That statement is a desperate attempt to correct their failures and a pathetic apology.

    It is a very strange world where a band can claim that in shouting Up Hamas and Up Hezbollah, they were not expressing support for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,429 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    You can add in 45,000 tickets each at Finsbury Park in London and Boucher Park in Belfast. They're also playing Brockwell Park in London next weekend, Fairview in Dublin and all over mainland Europe this summer.

    They ain't being silenced. The opposite. Their streams and fanbase are greatly increasing. Kudos to the lads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    You've been spitting out the exact same word vomit for pages. You clearly have an agenda against a highly successful Irish band, you are pro-Israel (from your comments on this and other threads) and are just ignoring anything that doesn't match with your incorrect beliefs.

    At least a broken clock is right twice a day, a broken record is just an annoyance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,888 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    So, an exhortation to attack a certain miniscule group of people is somehow ok? Right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,429 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    It ain't racism nor an attack on a certain nationality. Your claims are thus demonstrably false.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭Enter Username Here




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭Enter Username Here


    You have not answered the questions. Do you think there can never ever be such a thing as anti-English Racism coming from Ireland, because we are all goody goody in Ireland. OR do you think an Irishman / band calling on their followers to kill MPs in England is ok because at least they did not call on their followers to kill MPs in Ireland? And English lives are worth less than Irish lives?

    Can you link to when you have asked any of these questions before?

    To answer.. WTAF.. I think there can never ever be such a thing as anti-englihsh racism coming from ireland because the english are not a race. The irish are not a race. I do not know how else to say it to you to get your head past listening to one sinn fein politician and repeating it.

    Why did Kneecap call on their followers to murder politicians MPs in England but not MPs in N. Ireland?

    Can you show me where they specifically did that? I am willing to bet anything that did not happen.

    Do you not think Kneecap are similar to dissident Republicans in that they think it fun to be photographed on what appears to be a vandalised / damaged PSNI Land Rover, with smoke bellowing etc, and they said the PSNI were like the RUC, who they also denigrated?

    No.

    Do you not think it very hypocritical of S.F. to complain of something relatively minor, anti-Irish racial discrimination (it was not life or death) but not to complain of anti-English racial discrimination (well, Kneecap called for the murder of MPs in England, but not Irish MPs) from Kneecap (many MPs have been attacked, intimidated and some murdered)?

    No.

    The only examples of racism i have seen written about on these pages is from the zionists in israel. Killing babies by the thousands, killing innocent people and trying somehow to justify any of it. That is unbelievable, and anyone who condones it is equally complicit imho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    Ah blanch!

    If you are going to debate, at issue at least debate honestly.

    It is, without any doubt whatsoever, a complete and thorough written apology.

    I can only imagine your disappointed face when you read it!

    "unequivocal"

    "never"

    "all attacks"

    "always"

    "ever"

    But still it's not good enough for you.

    You have an obvious bias. Actually embarrassing at this stage.

    Never mind I'm sure the lads won't lose any sleep over the lack of forgiveness from blanch152 on boards.ie. They've bigger and more important messages to spread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Randycove


    and jimmy saville should be praised for charity work I guess?

    It is entirely possible to accept that Israel is committing genocide, agree with what Kneecap are saying, but also condemn them for crossing a line, which they clearly did.

    The people putting firebombs outside the PMs front door, or making death threats to female Labour MP aren’t master race right wing loonies, they are pro Palestine left wing loonies. The last thing the uk needs right now is a pop band wading in and effectively supporting their actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,300 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    To answer.. WTAF.. I think there can never ever be such a thing as anti-englihsh racism coming from ireland because the english are not a race. The irish are not a race. I do not know how else to say it to you to get your head past listening to one sinn fein politician and repeating it.

    I see we have got into the hair splitting of what is racism and what is not again, all in an effort to play down one nationalities negative attitude to another nationality.

    I just watched this from the RTE Archives page.

    From about 4 minutes on they are talking about racist attitudes to the Irish from the English, particularly the English media.

    Would you consider what was quoted from the newspaper and the cartoon from the newspaper that was shown as racists against the Irish ?

    I certainly would.

    And if a the English media can be racists against Irish surely Irish people or anyone else can be racist against the English or any other nationality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,614 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    people are institutions. People are culture, norms, etc..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    The last thing the uk needs right now is a pop band wading in and effectively supporting their actions.

    You do realise that they're being investigated for a comment made 2 years ago? Not right now, the only thing they've done recently in relation to that comment was apologise for it.

    https://www.euronews.com/culture/2025/04/29/rap-group-kneecap-apologise-to-families-for-kill-your-mp-remarks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭Enter Username Here


    Dragging something up from almost 40 years ago, where the guy incorrectly used the term racist (racist approach) as your only example is not really making any point. Just because one person uses the term incorrectly almost 40 years ago, and a few others copy them does not make it correct.

    That aside - if the point that the other poster is trying to make is that kneecap are xenophobic, i would ask them to prove that point. I do not see any examples of that.

    I see we have got into the hair splitting of what is racism and what is not again, all in an effort to play down one nationalities negative attitude to another nationality.

    I am splitting no hairs. I have addressed what racism is, and i have said who i believe are the racist people at the end of my post that you quoted. It would seem that it suits you to ignore that and incorrectly use a term to double down on another posters posts, which has not been proven even when the correct terminology is being used. All in an effort to ignore the war crimes and genocide that israel is committing to children and innocent people.

    When anyone on this thread mentions racism, that is what they should be looking at. Nothing else. Technically it should also be anti-semitic, but as the israeli's are claiming ownership of that word as one group of semitic people that exist, racism will have to suffice.



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