The trial of Molly Martens

The lawyers aren't low life's. They try every trick in the book for their clients. Both prosecution & defence. If they didn't try everything possible to advocate for their client they would be low life's.

It must be very upsetting nonetheless for the Corbett family to have to listen to the lies spouted by Martens and her family. But, ultimately, the people that matter to them will know the real story. Hopefully that gives them peace.

I went down a rabbit hole with this after watching the Netflix doc I watched the one on Virgin media player. There is some massive points raised on that too not mentioned on Netflix. The mother never being questioned and where Jason's home PC disappeared to being 2 of them that come to mind 1st.

yes. They’re used on another doc I saw on YouTube & they’re subtitled

Anyone who earns a living like that is a lowlife. They went out of their way to come up with fantasy stories without caring who they hurt or the damage they do. Knowing it's all lies. Utter scum. Every bit as bad as the Martens.

It's not just the Jury that sometimes gets it wrong.

Although the Jury in this case found them guilty. It was the DA and trial Judge who erred under law and procedure.

If any facet of the justice system behaves not to the required standard then gross carriages of misjustice can occur.

Stark reminder of this yesterday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce809e3gd1xo

It's the reason the bar for conviction has to be very high.

As to the OPs point of Defence Lawyers being scum, a lot of people think that until they need one.

They force the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is guilty

In a nutshell. Spot on.

I'd agree this wasn't the first or last time Tom had to save his Angel from a clusterfùvk she created. Shes been unstable for a long while and I doubt Jason was her first.

Disagree.

Everyone must be entitled to the most vigorous defence to ensure all convictions are sound.

Very moving documentary, the strength both of the kids showed was incredible. They’re a credit to their dad.

You’d have to wonder about the Martens family dynamic behind closed doors. They’ve obviously been dealing with Molly their entire lives and have hoped that outsourcing her to some unsuspecting man would make their lives easier. That being said, the father is every bit the lunatic she is, so maybe I’m over estimating their self awareness.

The stories she made up; that she was a lifelong friend of Jason’s first wife and the godmother to the kids, making up a fake dead sister whilst in college. I’ve known people like her in the past, people who just make up fantastical Walter Mitty type lies. I guess hers is the case of this kind of delusion taken to its absolute extreme and Jason and the kids are the collateral damage. She is once again her parents problem, until she ropes in the next unsuspecting man. Can only hope that will prove a bit harder after all this, but I’m sure there’s some fool out there who’ll give it a go.

Again, strong disagree.

Lawyers doing their jobs are not scummy. They are testing the evidence before the court to the nth degree. I'm glad they do it, it leads to stronger convictions if all legal teams argue as vociferously as possible

It's not naive, everyone deserves a defence but not one the uses falsehoods and destructive narratives that those lawyers know to be false. These people only care about making money. They don't give two shìts about justice

Hearsay is allowable if it is determined to be reliable and is pertinent to a defence.

For example some Jurors after the first trial cited the fact that there was no reasonable explanation for the brick to be in the room.

The SC ruled this collaborating evidence should have been allowed as it was pertinent to the defence.

First, Jack’s statement explaining the presence of the brick paver would have provided a non-culpable justification for why one of the defendants possessed one of the alleged murder weapons. We agree with the majority below that the State “benefited from the unexplained presence of one of two potential murder weapons in the master bedroom, and in fact, raised this very question during its opening statement.” Corbett, 269 N.C. App. at 577 (emphasis omitted). Absent explanation, Molly’s possession of the alleged murder weapon at the scene of the killing—a placewhere her possession of the murder weapon would otherwise have been highly STATE V. CORBETT2021-NCSC-18Opinion of the Court unusual—naturally gave rise to the inference that Molly did not act in self-defense.

“Very moving documentary, the strength both of the kids showed was incredible. They’re a credit to their dad.”

Yeah I mean they’re the hero’s of the documentary- they’re just brilliant.

I just watched it this evening- the defences role is to sew doubt - and you could see that if it went to trial a second time, regardless of what the children would testify, there was a certain amount of room for doubt to be sewn by the defence and for the jury to acquit. The prosecution just didn’t have much of a choice here.

The twisted lies of Molly know no bounds- it’s clear all she wanted was the kids - a long term relationship with Jason was never on the cards - she was scheming from very early in the relationship - the theory that she had her parents over so they could witness a manufactured argument, then get a barring order followed by a custody order, makes complete sense- obviously something went wrong with that plan- likely the tranquilliser she slipped him unknown to him and then attacked him with a brick injuring him more than she had planned - the baseball bat markings practically at skirting board level shows Jason was beaten when on the ground and defenceless .

The covert recordings are clearly Molly on a mission to claim domestic abuse but I’ve known that since I first heard them years ago.

Tom Martens is a disgusting human animal - you just know he’s lying through his teeth and trying, but failing miserably, to still control the narrative.

While I’ve no doubt, the vast majority in Ireland will side with the two children, I hope those watching in America can see through the Martens lies and deceit - if they pay attention to what the children are saying throughout, I think they just might.

Nonsense!

This means you believe the “hearsay rule” has no purpose because it excludes nothing or you think a court will admit unreliable and irrelevant evidence provided that it is not hearsay.