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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    "If ever there were proof needed of just how useless the Green Party were in government this would be a good indicator"

    That's quite the leap of logic there. A bit like picking any random issue and saying "if ever there were proof needed of just how useless [FF] / [FG] were in government this would be a good indicator".



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,521 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    'it's all Eamon Ryan's fault' strikes again.

    There was legislation passed but it's unworkable as the government is not in a position to state how many days a specific worker must be allowed work from home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 meat eating green


    Troll



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,858 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So just to be clear, the SMALLEST party in a coalition government is the party that you hold responsible for NOT implementing a policy that wasn't in any party's manifesto? A policy the government had no mandate for? A policy that would have caused absolute uproar across the business community, like this:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Like housing or healthcare?

    You call them the smallest party in the coalition government, I call them the party that had the ministry of transport and the party with the greatest mandate for cyclists. We are both correct

    I guess in a choice between active travel and business profits there was only going to be one winner for them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭JMcL


    You call them the smallest party in the coalition government, I call them the party that had the ministry of transport and the party with the greatest mandate for cyclists. We are both correct

    I guess in a choice between active travel and business profits there was only going to be one winner for them

    But there's no connection between the 2 policies. Different departments, with different remits and goals. The only way you'll get something cohesive done cross department is be having a tzar in place or when the Taoiseach has egg on his face and knocks heads together.

    The toothless "right to ask to work remotely" (that's all it is, the only thing the employer has to do is show they've read and "considered" it within 30 days) you can bet resulted from lobbying by IBEC, commercial property concerns, and all the other usual suspects like car park owners Dublin Town or whatever they're called etc. I'd bet the house that it wasn't Eamonn Ryan that was being lobbied either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Eamon Ryan was transport and Environment Minister, he likely could have brought in legislation around working from home on the basis of reducing the number of car journeys

    But as you correctly say, he was toothless



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,521 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    You reckon the road traffic acts could include legislation about working from home?

    You seem to think that being able to state 'he could not do something because he did not have the authority to do so' is somehow a failing on his part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,858 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    And there it goes again, 'Eamonn Ryan was toothless' as opposed to 'the government didn't do something I wanted them to do'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    He didn't say that. Are you being disingenuous deliberately? It hardly serves to support your argument.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    There's a handful of very prominent posters on here and in the media who seem to be able to blame Eamon Ryan and the Greens for almost anything at all.

    Eamon has them in a vice-like psychological grip.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,521 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    can you imagine if another minister tried to enact law in an area which was the responsibility of a different department?

    'minister for ag passes law granting farmers and peat harvesters free use of public transport'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭khamilton


    No, the legislation is unworkable because the competent authority it was delegated to is the quasi-judicial Workplace Relations Commission where decisions are made by non-legal professionals, and the legislation has language around an employer needing to 'consider' an application, not that it needs to offer a reasonable rationale for refusing it - which runs contrary to pretty much all other legislation.


    The legislation was deliberately designed to be toothless and unenforceable, even though it could have quite easily been neither without a government needing to decide how many specific days an employee should be allowed to work remotely.


    It's still not the Green Party's fault, despite the obvious troll's usual waffle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭JMcL


    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt about not being disingenuous and refer you back to my original comment - that the legislation is toothless and was a waste of effort in the drafting as it stands.

    Eamonn Ryan could not have "brought in" legislation - that requires debate and ratification by the Dail/Seanad/President etc. - no more than Michael Healy Rae as minister for trees could "bring in" legislation granting every person in Kerry a brand new road right up to their front door. Yes, he could hypothetically have proposed it, but why would he have when it was not part of the GPs manifesto in election 2020 which took place pre-Covid when WFH wasn't on the table. There were enough issues that they had promised to deliver on to keep them occupied at any rate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Fair enough yeah Eamon Ryan wasn't toothless, just the legislation he supported was. I never specified an individual either though, my issue was with the greens not one particular TD of theirs

    Seems like a fairly simple idea that once the great big return to the office had started post-covid the greens would have made an attempt to put the brakes on it from an environmental perspective. After all, without them, FFG didn't have a majority. I think in general they could have held that over FFG more to get their policies through

    But the topic of cycling is being drifted from now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭khamilton


    The parts of the relevant act were drafted by the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment. The Minister at the time (2022-2024) was Simon Coveney, a member of Fine Gael.

    I don't understand why you aren't banned when you reliably and regularly post false information and bad-faith arguments, but I obviously amn't questioning moderator decisions - just expressing my bemusement.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,521 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    There were lots of things the greens probably wanted to do. But the thing was, they were the junior partner in a three way coalition. If you're to judge them, judge them on what was in their power to achieve, that they messed up or failed to deliver. Like the mother and baby scheme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I believe it's because the moderators don't want to stifle healthy debate

    Allowing only one opinion in the room closes off minds and leads to situations like Trump in America. Debate is a beautiful thing and we can all learn something from each other regardless of how different the opinions are

    Now if somebody is being personally abusive to somebody, that's obviously a different story

    Again we're going off topic mind...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    See that's just it, I like to think they could have done a lot better in areas like the environment and transport ie the portfolios they held the ministries in

    Both of which fall nicely into the topic of cycling



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    MOD NOTE: let's just nip this in the bud right now. There is a report button, if you don't use it, we don't investigate. Attacking the poster is not on, so it stops now.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,970 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Quite shocking. Hope the driver is caught/traced. Anyone leaving the scene of an incident like this is pure thrash and should be put off the road forever or a very long time, with no mitigation.

    Hope the injured do not have significant / life changing injuries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭p15574


    "people panic too" - WTF?!! Would he say that if it was a child hurt in a hit and run? Or just when it's only cyclists?
    Three cyclists injured in Cork hit and run as driver flees scene near Midleton

    (edit: hadn't noticed the Indo story was already posted)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    It's a bit patronising and insulting to suggest that without posts like yours there'd be no healthy debate. Take @AndrewJRenko - he regularly comes up against pretty robust challenges to his views from other regular posters in the cycling forum. The idea that the cycling community is some Borg-like hive mind is nonsense.

    It's up there with "people learn from their mistakes" as justification for not imposing a custodial sentence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    That particular TD has a previous ban for drink-driving (and drunk & abusive behaviour) so he and his moronic view on road safety can get fcuked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Just to be clear, I don't believe the cycling community at large is some Borg-like hive mind and it's because posts like mine and yours and many others are made and debated rather than being deleted.

    There are always some who argue cycle lanes/cyclists/green agenda is the cause, what was the question again? Shut up, I'm right, you're wrong

    Likewise there are some that would always argue motorists are the problem, cycle lanes are the solution even if nobody uses them, what was the question again? Shut up, I'm right, you're wrong

    Generally speaking there is not much of either of the above in the cycling community



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's true that people panic, some people hit others or get hit and don't know what to do. That's just human nature when the brain is put into a situation it doesn't recognise. In which case, after a moment of madness, they should go to the nearest cop-shop and report the incident, which doesn't seem to have happened here.

    You can also understand when somebody leaves the scene of a crime like this if they feel their own personal safety is at risk by staying. Again, this should be followed up by a trip to the police station to report the incident.

    The fact that the road is still closed off suggests it was more than a minor tip that the cyclists got.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,183 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    They seem to panic especially in cases where they've been drinking and they need a few hours for the alcohol to leave their system before reporting themselves to the cop shop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    If they waited a few hours before reporting themselves then they unlawfully left the scene, whether they were intoxicated or not.

    If you panic or feel you are in danger by staying at the scene your next stop should be to report yourself. There's enough CCTV in the country that you're going to get caught anyway so there's no point in trying to wiggle out of it. The judge will probably go light on you as well so there's really no benefit to trying to get away with it



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,521 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    mod note - i know you're not referring or speculating about the case being discussed, but just a reminder to please be careful so others might not think you are.



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