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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    I hate Trump and abhor his administration but did they not do one with the UK just there last week?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭yagan


    The only constant with this administration is that whatever it is thought to have achieved this week will be completely forgotten next week when Trump announces another brain fart table flip inspired by something he saw on TV over the weekend..

    The US stock market overall valuation can still climb on diminishing volume.

    In a normal economic cycle t bonds would be the bolt hole in times of uncertainty. Now the only way for US citizens to diversify away from Trump's Peronesque economic nationalism is to head for stocks with an international income that can insulate against USD devaluation.

    Combined with foreigners pulling back from USD devaluation risk the investment pool in the US will decline.

    At the height of the GBP dominance Harrods of London opened a store in Buenos Aires. But the tariffs of the UK Imperial Preference policy undermined it's viability.

    Any advantage accrued by protections and devaluation will be eaten up by rising costs and reciprocal tariffs.

    It is strange timing that the populist Milei of Argentina is dismantling Peron era protectionism while the populist Trump raises trade barriers.

    They may salute eachother in passing but Milei is on the ascending escalater while Trump is on the escalator heading for the bargain basement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,048 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    No. Trump and his team called it a trade deal, but really it was a rollback of most of the tariffs introduced on "Liberation Day" and some pre-agreements regarding some aspects of a trade deal. But Trump cannot unilaterally make such deals, they still have to progress through Congress following further negotiations and discussions regarding regulations.

    Nothing has been signed or agreed other than rollback of most of the tariffs Trump introduced a few weeks ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,169 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    USA can sell something they produce next to nothing of (hormone and antibiotic free, traceable beef) to the UK and UK can sell something they produce (cars) to the USA.

    Got to admire the art of the deal 🙄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,092 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I guess that people will have short memories is what Trump's backers are hoping for. I don't believe he has even a short memory himself. I have come to expect, from his "tariff deal-making" that there is a strong chance that when his negotiators send him feedback reports on how the talks are going he will behave as usual and bring back the tariffs with "immediate effect" he is incapable of learning any lesson his actions present him and the US with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Damage has been done to small businesses which the stock market casino does not represent

    https://www.wsj.com/economy/worried-about-the-economy-americas-small-businesses-are-reducing-investment-and-hiring-survey-shows-71e233cd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,173 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No. It was more of a tariff reduction thing. Real trade deals take years and years to negotiate. CETA took 9 years if memory serves.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    No…

    That was a "heads of agreement" - which is basically saying that they both agree to eventually agree to a deal.

    What little high level detail that was spoken about (but not actually formally agreed to) are more beneficial to the UK than the US.

    For example , the UK get to import 100k cars at low/no tariffs but the US don't get anything for cars to the UK.

    The US are "allowed" to import Beef to the UK , but only if it complies with all UK Health/safety requirements - And currently virtually no US produced Beef is capable of meeting that standard , but the UK now have a much higher import volume than before.

    Trump got rolled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    UK was already exporting more than 100K cars to US

    What the UK “won” was dropping some of the limits Trump added few months back

    They are in worse place now than they were before Trump

    Not that there actually is a signed agreement anyone can point at anywhere



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    What has been interesting is the fairly universal condemnation of this idea , along with the deafening silence from the usual suspects that can typically be relied on to come out and parrot his position.

    You've had Charlie Kirk and many others on the MAGA right saying it's a terrible idea.

    What we don't have are the Senators and Congress people appearing on Fox saying it's super "money saving deal" or whatever.

    They all know the optics are beyond horrible so they are keeping very quiet…



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    They exported 103k cars last year , so getting a commit for lower tariffs for 100k pretty much covers them - And lets be fair , the majority of the cars the UK ship to the US are bought by buyers that are fair less cost sensitive than the majority of buyers so it's no wonder that the US car industry is crying foul..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Well that's some spin. He has not organised any big trade deals, his fans like to portray things as trade deals. The reality is we could be as easily be in a calm until the 90 days are through. On top of that, you seem to be ignoring that tariffs were rolled back on because businesses like Target called him out about it, they were not intended to be frozen

    You seem to be trying to spin a disastrous first few months as a success when the reality is he's only served to destabilise their global position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭yagan


    Tariff pauses only cement trading uncertainty. Businesses don't survive on wait and see, they'll seek out other opportunities in predictable markets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The new acting head of the library of Congress is Trump's former lawyer. So they went to a highly qualified librarian with a great reputation to a lawyer…

    https://www.npr.org/2025/05/12/nx-s1-5395879/trump-todd-blanche-librarian-congress



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I know we have jobs for the boys here but the number of his buddies currently getting jobs and getting obvious inside trading information regarding tariff pauses is making the US look like one of the most corrupt countries in the world. The US has zero credibility talking about dodgy goings on in other jurisdictions for a very long time to come. The country appears to be so divided that the obvious corruption is just not worthy news anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Land Rover paused exports when the initial tariffs were announced so even they knew a 25% tariff would affect sales. There's also Mini's, over 20k exported to the US. That production is split between the UK and Germany so I wonder if Germany will ship the parts to the UK for them to assemble and export to the US to avoid the 25% tariff.

    As the details haven't really been fleshed out and with the US auto industry's pushback, I wonder if there's any sort of % of parts to make them a UK car, rather than a UK assembled German car.

    The US is still trying to figure out what % of an American assembled car is actually American, they don't split the US from Canada manufactured parts, it's all just classes as North American.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,560 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Tariffs were a bargaining chip? He has said that the USA have been taking in billions and billions with how effective they were working..why would he roll back on them?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Indeed - Utterly lacking in detail because it's NOT a "trade deal".

    The UK are worse off than they were before Trump started all this nonsense , but on the surface they have gotten a better deal than was there after Trump slapped on his nonsense tariffs , apparently without having to give up anything tangible in return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,168 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,173 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Definitely a case of 2 steps backwards, 1 step forward for the UK. The fact is that the UK still have 10% tariffs on everything apart from motor vehicles, steel and jet engines and depending on Trump's mood, that could change on a whim.

    Even if it was a fully fledged trade agreement, ratified by both governments, Trump has shown he can and will just impose tariffs, like in the case of Mexico and Canada.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Unbelievable, what is this guy going to actually do given he is a lawyer.
    On another note I see his AG Pam Bondi was getting 100k dollars a month from Qatar as a lobbyist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,014 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The contradictions by the anti-Trumps really do make me giggle.

    On the one hand he is portrayed as a mindless stupid buffoon and on the other a 5D chess playing authoritarian.

    Make up your minds...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭Economics101


    The arrangement for the UK to be allowed export up to 100,000 cars at a lower tariff is a type of Tariff Quota. Administering these can be complex, and if the demand for UK cars in the USA is > 100k, then what? You can't sell some cars at one price and and other idential cars at another price. Also tariff concessions are worth far more for upmarket cars than for basic models.

    No wonder we see this: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/may/13/bentley-car-sales-to-us-still-frozen-amid-confusion-about-when-tariff-cuts-start

    Also, quotas can be a source of corruption: who decides who are allocated the quotas? You could have a proper and transparent auction, or you could have corrupt side-payments. Guess which one fits with the ethos of the Trump administration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,142 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    They were just headlines for a trade deal. Negotiations would take a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,142 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Might have been online sellers putting the tariff cost on their sites that encouraged him to roll back.

    Can't have the truth becoming real.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    HE is a mindless stupid buffoon , easily distracted and misled by shiny baubles and offers of money.

    But , there are many very very dangerous people that now have his ear - Russell Vaught for Project 2025 , Stephen Miller , Peter Navarro ( the architect of the isolationist tariff plan) and many others.

    THEY are destroying the Democratic structures of the United States to replace it with an Isolationist neo-fascist Christian Nationalist State and he is too stupid and disinterested to even care what's going on.

    They whisper in his ear that someone was "disloyal" to him or was "woke" and he responds like Pavlovs dog to the Bell and fires them…

    In the case of the firing of the Librarian from the Library of Congress - it's no co-incidence that they also fired the head of the copyrighting group that reported to her.

    The group that were acting as a bulwark against Elon Musks (and others) attempts to circumvent copyright laws to allow their AI systems to freely consume any and all data without having to pay royalties.

    Just look at the list of heads of departments that have been fired in the last 3 months and align that with the lawsuits or Federal restrictions that were being imposed on Elon Musk and his companies..

    Issues that have now all magically disappeared under the new bosses…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Who decides?

    Whoever in Trump clan gets the most via untraceable Trump crypto schemes of course

    I hear Ivanka needs a plane too



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