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Property companies 'research' says everyone wants to return to office

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,595 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    If I run a company and Billy in Drogheda brings in €4 million a year and Jack in Drogheda brings in €200 a year doing the same job you can rest assured I'm going to have different rules for Bill and Jack.. and if Jack doesn't like it?? You know the rest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Im completely with you on that but unfortunately the WRC wont agree with us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,595 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Fine. Jack is seriously underperforming. Needs eyes on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,783 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Not sure about that theory... Trains are overcrowded in the mornings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,920 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    How is a dead weight employee needed for urgent meetings.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,150 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    These people have managers and these managers need a kick up the h*le. If an employee has a crap manager thats not the employees fault. I manage a team of 8 and its a mix of wfh, office and hybrid and they all do the same amount of work. You don't need to be able to see people in order to know if they are doing their job or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Deeec


    To discuss an issue with their client. I don't know why you would think it strange to expect an employee to attend a meeting 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Some managers have jobs for life too and are totally unsackable: why should they make life difficult for themselves and become unpopular if Mary spends a few hours each working day looking after toddlers ( what choice has she, she has no family support and cannot afford childcare) or Paddy checks in on boards.ie every half an hour or Roisin is an alcoholic gambler ( well, she just likes a glass of wine and to check in on paddypower.ie now and again).? Why should the manager kill himself when he likes the odd bit of Netflix now and again either?

    That's the reality sometimes, not always.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,403 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    The manager you are making up also has a manager to answer to and so on.

    If people are not doing their job like in your made up stories then they will be sacked.

    If not then the company has bigger problems then Mary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,943 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Do people have a full days work? I'd say I've about 2 hours of legit work a day. I'd say my team probably about 4 or 5 hours a day.

    Wfh means instead of looking busy during those hours you can get other $hit done.

    I'm very pro wfh and thankfully my place have not made any noise yet about changing post covid hybrid posture.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    I would say going fully remote provided me with the biggest single cost saving I’ve ever made in business.

    Realistically it is very hard believe that most companies will not make big savings if they can cut out spending on property.

    I can’t say we have lost any productivity really either, it has improved a bit.

    I swear the media just puts out these articles sometimes to give people something to talk about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,697 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    There’s peaks and troughs but it was that way pre Covid too so it’s not a WFH issue per se- that’s more an overall staffing issue and skills issue. Unless you’re in a role that measures your daily output of widgets produced, I think it’s likely you’ll have some spare time.

    Which probably points towards a much more robust monitoring system of daily or at least weekly activity, is required, just to document what value you’re bringing .

    And that would actually support people who want to continue WFH- and highlight the under performers more.



  • Posts: 553 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    don’t think i could manage going back to office full time. I’m less stressed, eat way better and healthier, more sleep, I can go to bed an hour later and have an hour extra still in the evenings, feck all now spent on work clothes and diesel, have a bench, weights and exercise bike I use during the day at home.

    I have to go in one day every day every two weeks which is perfectly fine by me, I’d never stick a full time office job and all the politics again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,697 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    It goes some way to explain it- people are living further away from main cities due to house price rises- theres been massive building work in some commuter towns that I know of so certainly, demand for public transport is on the rise.
    But there’s also a massive amount of traffic heading towards Dublin every day- much more than there was pre covid- I don’t work in the office Mondays and Fridays so I’m not sure what the story is on those days but certainly Tuesday-Thursday traffic has never been worse than right now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,920 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think it's strange someone can be called a dead weight but also critical to a meetings. They can't be both. You'd think they'd be replaced in the meetings. Even with a less senior person..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Appreciate that a lot of employers are locked into leases, but there a large cohort of companies since covid that

    1. had a lease renewal or
    2. were out of space for expansion

    For example we only had 30 employees in 2025, and have approx 80 in Ireland now.

    We've closed our small Limerick office and took Galway down to a couple rented desks.

    Dublin and Cork offices are busy but between them have desk space for say 40 at full capacity.

    Couple of large meeting rooms if you need to bring in a group of 25 and sit them down for updates etc.

    This narrative that all employers want everyone back is going to change as more and more smaller companies use WFH and blended to cut costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,920 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Most jobs have quieter periods. Usually catch up on training, admin or a side work project, like automating something in quieter moments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,943 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    There is no issue. As I said, pre covid/WFH you spent hours a day looking busy. Now with WFH you can spemd those hours doing some housework/DIY, run some errands, make a nice lunch, workout etc.

    In truth it's about control, senior management and maybe even some middle management want people looking busy in the office rather than being productive at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,943 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Id include all the above in my overall work duty, similar for my team. But there's still no way to fill a full day 5 days a week with work in my area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    There's a tonne of research. We've had 5 yrs of global data on it. Still getting these fake narratives being posted on it.

    But that tonne of research is not producing any definitive answers about whether people are more productive remotely or in the office.

    We are still having the debate right here and now on this thread.

    That's because there are a million different variables to consider.

    it depends on so many different things, age, stage of career, office environment, home environment etc etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,920 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    In Dublin car use is failing. But the numbers are only now getting back to close to pre lockdown numbers. It seems busier because there's issues with staffing on buses, rolling stock on trains, and they are squeezing cars out to give priority to other modes of transport.

    So while everything is "busier" a lot of it due to issues other than numbers. For example my usual train is shorter, not enough carriages and there often problems like people failing sick or breakdowns which means you get two trainloads of people trying to get the next one train.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,920 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    In general I agree you can't have something working 100% 24/7 You'll burn it out.

    This is why metrics are useful. Because you get one person getting a work unit done in half the time of the next person. Not everyone has the efficiency. Not all work units are the same difficulty.

    But anyone saying just being in the office is more efficient. Just isn't keeping or monitoring metrics. Because location is mostly irrelevant to many jobs. Not all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,920 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Of course it has. People just dismiss it.

    Besides if you have internal metrics you wouldn't need anything else to prove it for you. You can just look at your own metrics.

    I can see who is busy this month, what systems are busy, trending up, trending down. Which teams have no metrics.

    I have sat in meetings where managers have claimed bs figures and no metrics and the next manger blows that out of the water with detailed stats and metrics on activity and productivity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    No danger of Mary, Paddy, Roisin or Tom getting sacked. They work in the public service. In case you think I am exaggerating, in Ireland it is estimated 1 in 30 people, or 130,000 people have a gambling problem. The number of people with a drink problem is much higher, I have seen a figure of 578,000 quoted. More people have to look after toddlers at home. Working from home suits any people from these groups better for obvious reasons. Not everyone working from home looks after toddlers at the same time or are hiding a problem, but we can be sure some are, and that is bound to affect productivity and be harder to detect / manage.

    "Mary spends a few hours each working day looking after toddlers ( what choice has she, she has no family support and cannot afford childcare) or Paddy checks in on boards.ie every half an hour or Roisin is an alcoholic gambler ( well, she just likes a glass of wine and to check in on paddypower.ie now and again).? Why should the manager kill himself when he likes the odd bit of Netflix now and again either?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I'm about 1 hour, 50 minutes door to door. People think I'm mad but that's where the property market sent me. I work from home two days a week and am glad to have that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,920 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I wouldn't do it. But I understand why people have to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,595 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Did you do that commute 5 days a week before the pandemic or did you purchase during/after?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭Glaceon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,595 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    That's fairly ballsy!! I know two others that did this. Were you confident working from home would continue?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I wasn't necessarily thinking of that, but, long story short, I got tired of renting and the lack of security involved with it. So I made it a goal to buy.

    The original plan was that I'd get driving but that didn't come to pass for various reasons. I know it's not ideal, and if WFH were to be dropped, I'd probably have to either go part-time or change jobs entirely. Things just didn't go as planned really.



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