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The trial of Molly Martens

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 994 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    After watching the documentary tonight on tv3 ...they found it amazing that tom martens wife was never even questioned by investigating police officers at any stage ., you'd think then she'd give voluntary of her account of her stay overnight there ...it may have looked more credible to have the father and mother visiting more so than tom martens visiting on his own but the intention to kill was already planned on this house visit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭geographica


    anyone else find in the documentary that the police interviews with replies were really hard to hear?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,695 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    It would have benefited from subtitles.

    Anyone who has not yet read Sarah's book, I'd urge you to. You'll get a lot more insight into life behind closed doors with monster Molly as a "mother" and a wife. She truly was a nasty piece of work even from early days.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭geographica


    surprised they didn’t have subtitles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    For all their bravado of being 'super proud to be irish' the yanks have a deep seated xenophobia of foreigners so Jason would never have got proper justice ahead of a white middle class law enforcement family. Glad the children are back in ireland for a normal upbringing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭sheepondrugs


    In addition to all their lies more bullshit mollies mother awoke then slept again while a violent murder happened upstairs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭mrperty2011


    yes difficult to understand I just turned on subtitles Netflix



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Imagine Jason waiting till the one night his in laws were randomly staying over to try kill her.

    He had years to do it but he wanted for the night she had backup.

    He must have been blinded by that a$$ though as I'd say she was a walking red flag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    We could try, but not a hope of the US ever giving them to us. Especially not an ex-fed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,467 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Interesting how a US publication looks at the documentary - for them it’s just another weird American story- and in fairness they have no skin in the game, it’s just another news item - I must say Molly is great at the olde lies - reminds me of Samantha Cooke and her pathological lying - same MO but much more dangerous obviously.

    I can’t see Molly leaving the media spotlight yet- there’s too much money to be made and she needs to be able to make her own money - she doesn’t have a murder conviction now- a simple manslaughter with less than 5 years served - so American publications would certainly take her on I reckon - if she does write a book, be ready for the greatest work of fiction ever to be written - and if this article is anything to go by (she gets off way too lightly in my view in this article but I appreciate the whole documentary is pretty much let the viewer make their own mind up ) American media will lap it up.


    Here’s the sort of lies Molly is capable of:

    “I wanted to adopt them because they were my children,” Molly said in the documentary, adding that she and Jason had discussed including an adoption ceremony as part of their wedding. “There was a lot of promises that were broken, but that was a big one."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,467 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Yeah, there’s a huge juxtaposition between the description of the murder scene, the brutality of the killing, and then the ultimate verdict and sentence received.

    Saying that, it does have to be said that they were both convicted of murder - that was overturned via lawyers and money - likely a lot of money-

    I doubt Tom Martens has much wealth left - maybe he got private donations we don’t know about but the appeal alone must have cost a fortune - while you need to go looking for where the justice is in this case, it was reassuring that they were found guilty originally -


    likewise the Netflix documentary will likely divide audiences- some in America- with a certain disposition - likely MAGA- will side with the former FBI agent - we can’t influence that - but at least we appreciate the real truth which is fact based - that’s what separates us from these animals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Considering how we dismissed the French for doing the same with Ian Bailey (not even an Irish citizen), I couldn’t see us doing the same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,467 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    In the interests of balance, The “French”, as you refer to them, had their own protections of their citizens too- it was impossible for the Irish authorities to properly interview certain individuals who resided in France - they had their own “rights” and “protections” under French law which we had to abide by.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Bailey was never charged or prosecuted, also the fact he was a British citizen is one of the reasons he wasn't extradited.

    The Martens eventually plead guilty under plea bargains.

    An extradition attempt would be unconstitutional under the 5th Amendment.

    Or what is referred to as double jeopardy law.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,982 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    The two are very different cases. One involved an English attention seeking alcoholic who has no link to a murder being tried based on evidence that had already been shown to be fabricated.
    The other was a clear murder poorly disguised as a self-defence (if you could even call it that)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,836 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    And they specifically set up this idea that she had established code words and hidden phone numbers with the children for when anything dangerous was happening in the home….so surely if she woke up and heard fighting she would go check on the kids no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    subtitles can be turned on, I watched it with subtitles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭standardg60


    You can be sure her job was to watch for the kids waking up while they were killing Jason. Claiming she went back to sleep while her husband ran upstairs with a baseball bat is both absurd and the perfect excuse for not having to answer any questions. They had it well planned out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭geographica




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Highly irresponsible of Netflix to give the Martins a platform for their lies and scurrilous accusations. When it's dollars vs ethics we generally get only one winner these days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭dbas


    I think it's good they were on the program in a "give them enough rope and they hang themselves" kind of way.

    I was seeing crosshairs on their foreheads after listening to them for a while though. Nauseating stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,569 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Reading back trough posts. Some here really pushing and condoning and excusing the absolute scum killers. Make ya sick reading some a the posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 237 ✭✭TalleyRand83


    Same goes for the non-stop obsessive attackers of Madeline McCann parents, relentlessly "found guilty" here and everywhere else online, now its very clear that German scumbag did it, might not be found guilty in a court of law (yet)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Will_I_Amnt


    Watched this last night and those lawyers the Martins' got for their appeal were proper low-life's. Almost everything they said was ridiculous - The bit that took the biscuit for me was when one of them talked about how traces of urine on the pajamas that Molly Martins was wearing at the time Jason Corbett was killed proves that she had lost consciousness during the altercation - When it had never been part of the Martins' story that she had lost consciousness. 🙃

    Having said that, the US police did **** up when they conducted the young fellas testimony recantation interview via video link.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭jluv


    Just watched on Netflix.

    I did cry when they were on their way to give impact statements.

    Sarah is the image of her dad..Jack the image of his mother Mags.

    Thank God for Tracey and David. Especially that first week when everything was so raw but they fought the American justice system. They did what Jason would have wanted when he couldn't..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭testtech05


    Just finished the Netflix doc too. Just seems crazy that the half baked contradictory defense story seemed to work for them. I was physically angry watching it. The scene with the family driving to give the victim impact statement really hit me emotionally too. The kids are so strong fair play to them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    I haven't seen it yet, but just from reading this thread one question jumps out at me: what the heck was the prosecution up to during the trial, just sitting on their hands?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,086 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    They were representing a foreigner against an ex-FBI agent - they were a quadreplegic tryna climb Everest solo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭Caquas


    No, they convicted him and his daughter for murder. 20-25 years in the slammer.

    What happened on the appeal - that’s the issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭testtech05


    I felt for the DA when he was talking about the case he is obviously still effected by what happened with the appeal etc



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