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The trial of Molly Martens

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,118 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭Patrick2010




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,118 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    sleep with one eye open I mean



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,498 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “The martens are scum who basically got away with murder imo”

    As you’re not overly familiar with the case, let me say to you that thankfully your perspective on this case and the Martens is shared by 99.99% of the Irish population



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭Be right back


    How did they get away with claiming self defence when poor Jason was so battered and they magically avoided any injuries to themselves?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,855 ✭✭✭FishOnABike




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,190 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    It is important to remember regarding the recordings that She knew she was recording and in that sense it has been manipulated.

    Even at that, if that was the 'worst' recording it was nothing really, as you say fairly standard run of the mill.

    That crime scene was horrendous, and the forensic analysis of the beating Jason took was harrowing. For the defense to then focus on that fingernail mark on her neck - the fingernail tip of the iceberg as they tried to show.

    I just hope Jason's children can find some sort of peace and solace for the future, they seem to have a decent family around them now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Before watching the Netflix show, I couldn't understand why a man who spent his life with the FBI would get involved in such a violent, messy killing. If he wanted Jason dead, could he not find a less traumatic method and keep his daughter out of it? And even if the cops believed their story, the kids would have to live with the notion that their beloved father was actually a violent abuser who deserved to have his skull smashed by their step-mother and her father.

    But then I realized that Tom Martens believed he had to act quickly to prevent Jason from returning to Ireland with his kids. That was why he and his wife turned up unexpectedly that Sunday evening - a four hour drive from Knoxville - after receiving a series of calls that morning from Mollie. Did Mollie learn something on Saturday night which led her to believe there was no time left for careful planning of the perfect murder? Was it because Jason's trip to Ireland with his kids for his father's 80th. birthday on 27 August, would actually start sooner? Had Jason booked tickets?

    Of course Mollie's mother was also involved in this plan. Who can believe that she went straight back to sleep after her husband got out of bed and went upstairs with a baseball bat because their daughter was in a violent fight upstairs? And why did she give her step-grandchildren code words to use with a hidden phone number, before anyone said there was any problem with Jason?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,611 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Watched the documentary. Utter scum the Martens. And like I always knew, the poor children were definitely coached to lie in their initial interviews. A pre-planned slaughter. Vile. And obscene that these two are free



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭threeball


    Utter scum and their defence lawyers are worse. Just habitual liars who'd do anything to turn a buck. The fact they left the kids feeling the guilt of providing the "witness statement" that saw the sentence reduced, as well as call in to question the reason for their mothers death says everything we need to know about the martens and their lawyers.

    I hope they all live short miserable lives. Only a matter of time before Molly is committed to a loony bin.

    The less said about American justice the better. A shítshow of a country from top to bottom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭geographica


    what’s annoying is she got half of the sale of the house that Jason bought in Panther Creek Court, about $175k but it’s thought that’ll have to be used on legal fees



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,105 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Until daddy is dead and rotted away his angel will face no consequence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,498 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “I hope they all live short miserable lives. Only a matter of time before Molly is committed to a loony bin.”

    Well certainly, her parents and then siblings will be tasked with keeping her on the straight and narrow for the rest of her life, that’s for sure. That in itself is some small justice.

    I do pity any man getting involved with her and I think it’s only a matter of time before this happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Did that definitely happen? God how horrific, Jason would have been worth quite a bit in his own right as a successful corporate type, I wonder if she profited any other way from insurance policies etc. I really hope not. I'm pretty sure Tom Martens owed Jason money too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭geographica


    yes it happened


    Life policy no benefit to her thankfully, despite her best efforts


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/molly-martens-to-make-147k-from-sale-of-home-where-she-murdered-jason-corbett/37092185.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,498 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Thankfully their online fund raising appeal for their trial made little money compared to what it would have cost them - they had enabled comments without payment when they set it up first and they certainly got what they truly deserved with some of those comments .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Caquas


    The most shocking aspect of this case was the decision by the NC Court of Appeal and Supreme Court to overrule the trial judge who rightly excluded the children's initial statements on the basis of hearsay. The plea bargain only arose in that context i.e. a re-trial jury would be heavily influenced by the statements and might acquit Jason's killers.

    The question of admitting these statements as evidence does not turn on the fact that these were young children, or that they appear to have been coached or that they may have been fearful of telling the truth. Their statements regarding abuse by their father should not be admitted because they had no direct experience of such abuse - they weren't abused and they never described their mother being abused. Everything relevant they had to say was "Mom told me that…." - the very definition of hearsay. Or some generic and age-inappropriate statements about "physical and verbal abuse". Cross-examination would have shown this statement to be an empty recitation. If the defence wanted the court to consider what Molly had told her children, let Molly get into the stand (but then she could be cross-examined!)

    There are exceptions to the hearsay rule but nothing in Irish law would admit these statements in evidence and no one has a convincing argument as to why the most basic, tried-and-tested rule of evidence was not applied in this case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,849 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Only positive I can take from that doc is that the kids seem to be in good hands, Tracey and David came across incredibly well.

    I wish they pressed the Martens more on their lies, Tom claiming Mags' family thinks Jason killed her was a sickening thing to make up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭jv2000


    Agreed. I read Sarah's book a month or two ago, and it was heartbreaking. My takeaway was that nothing will ever change what happened to Jason, but in the end, the fact that the Lynch's got the kids out of America and raised them in Ireland is the most positive aspect. That alone was the single most important aspect. The American justice system is messed up; it is well documented and it is unfortunately hard to imagine how they would ever go against an FBI agent in favour of a foreigner.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭Photobox


    Was wondering about watching this in case it put a question mark over the Martens guilt, glad it hasn't from the comments. Vile amoral people. Read Tracey's Corbetts book, what the Martens put the Corbetts through. Sickening they are out of prison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭dbas


    Those Martens are absolute filth. Psychopathic, narcissistic vermin.

    I followed this case a lot throughout as it hit a nerve. Thinking of those kids and what they had gone through, and contrasting my interpretation of them at that age, with the young adults that spoke in the documentary.

    The Corbett's spear to be an lovely family who have done amazing work allowing those kids to recover and grow in safety and security.

    Bobby sand's quote rang in my ear "Our revenge will be the laughter of our children" I hope the Corbett's enjoy that particular brand of revenge every day of their lives.

    If the kids hadn't been rescued from America that time, what would have become of them. At the mercy of that wicked family in their formative years. Gwan the Corbett's



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,057 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The American system appears entirely set up to keep people like Molly Martens out of prison. In other words, if you're a WASP with money in the family and a degree of physical attractiveness, you really have to be caught red-handed in order to do any time, and even then you get a relative tap on the wrist.

    I suppose they need to reserve that cell space for some unfortunate who failed the colour chart test while driving dangerously near the speed limit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭threeball


    Absolutely, if Tom Martens was Tom Martinez the Mexican gardener, he'd be on death row today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭dbas


    He taught interrogation techniques at the FBI. Counter intelligence etc.

    He knows the game and played it well. Filthy mongrel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    The investigation team and prosecutors must have fecked up big style for this not to be open and shut. Considering who the defendants were, and that the victim was an immigrant, maybe that was their intention.

    Not too many people doing the "I believe her" thing for Molly who allegedly would have been dead now had she not fought for her life like a tigress 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Tom Martens played the game and lost - sent down for 20 - 25 years.

    He is a violent, arrogant liar (a career in the FBI can do that to you) and he made a bloody mess of murdering Jason. That 911 call with the phony 1-2-3 resuscitation count - what an amateur! And then telling the cops "Let me lay out my story for you" - like they wouldn't know this was a technique to control their questioning. They knew he was guilty as soon as he opened his "counter-intelligent" mouth😏

    How did he get out? The Court of Appeal bent the hearsay rules to admit the children's obviously dubious evidence. That was the basis of the plea deal.

    Why did the system in North Carolina twist its own laws to release these vicious, fantasising, self-absorbed killers even at the cost of opening the courts' doors to liars of all sorts?

    Would this have happened if the victim had been American? The Martens certainly thought they could get away with murdering an Irishman by calling him a drunken wife-beater.

    And they would still be in jail if they weren't white. Unless of course they were black, rich and famous like OJ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭dbas


    That man doesn't care what anyone thinks of him. The (self declared) lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep.

    Normal people would be mortified, but not the like of him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,376 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    The BS and lies from the Martens is absolutely scary.

    You can certainly see the psychopathic tendencies in abundance from Molly and her dad.

    It was definitely unbiased but I’m really gutted they didn’t question the Martens more on their utter scum accusations. Be nice to see them hang themselves with their words.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Admldj


    Watched the netflix documentary tonight and was seething, the Martens really are scum of the Earth, she claimed love for the children and battered their father to death and tried to make them defacto accomplices by coaching their responses.

    A truly vile person.

    I wonder was a case under extraterritorial jurisdiction ever sought by Irish authorities? Give these animals their day in court here for the murder of one of our citizens.



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