Gript-A source of misinformation. Read OP before posting

nullzero · 12-05-2025 09:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123442085#Comment_123442085

When the Irish Times are employing the likes of Kitty Holland and Fintan O'Toole and giving them free reign to push their far left agendas it's not saying much for the landscape of Irish journalism as a whole.

If Gript have an agenda they're in good company.

twinytwo · 13-05-2025 07:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123442085#Comment_123442085

You do realise that virtually every paper/journalist as some form of an agenda right??? even those considered mainstream?

A huge amount of news articles these days are opinion pieces - biased one way or the other.

Gript, you just don't happen to like - which is fair enough. But lets not pretend everyone else is innocent.

Hoop66 · 13-05-2025 07:48AM

Considering their "agenda" is to foment hatred and division (on behalf of their paymasters whether they know it or not), you'll excuse me if I give it a miss. And state once more for the record, that Gript is for wankers and inadequates.

nullzero · 13-05-2025 08:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123442695#Comment_123442695

What is an inadequate?

pjohnson · 13-05-2025 08:28AM

Gript's journalists are to journalism what plumbers are to heart surgeons.

Patrick2010 · 13-05-2025 08:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123442153#Comment_123442153

I've only clicked on the odd Gript link posted but decided to visit the actual site today, expecting to see a mixture of the KKK/National front posts. I genuinely don't see anything offensive there. They ask genuine questions MSM should be asking but don't like how the government are making millionaires of lads who happened to either own or bought run down hotels. The likes of Holland and O'Toole have a complete open borders agenda, they will oppose any government attempt to control immigration and speed up the AS processing system.

Backstreet Moyes · 13-05-2025 10:38AM

Gript ask questions that other journalists won't ask.

The government and others like PBP don't actually have answers to those questions so they refuse to answer.

Then you have people who claim they wouldn't read an article but criticize their journalism.

Again deflection because they don't like the questions.

Shouting far right is a deflection tactic that doesn't work anymore.

The Nal · 13-05-2025 11:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123443151#Comment_123443151

Shouting "religious nutters" is accurate though.

To be clear, there are two directors at Gript. McGurk and Niamh Uí Bhriain. Niamh Uí Bhriain who actually founded Youth Defence. Both of them write/wrote for the Irish Catholic.

Gript was set up with money from the Life Institute/Youth Defence. Lets ignore the Neo Nazi links for now…….

The other fella Ben Scallan was a spokeperson for Hermann Kellys Irish Freedom Party. Hermann Kelly studied theology at Patricks College. And was once editor of the Irish Catholic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Patrick%27s_Pontifical_University%2C_Maynooth

I mean fine, but lets not pretend there isnt an ultra conservative old school Catholic base to the whole thing. Which is why they're really struggling for subscriptions. Older people dont pay for subs and younger people wont pay to read their conservative Catholic based sh1te.

To compare, the Times and Indo got about 14 million site visits each in March 2025.

Gript got between 700k/1 million but very telling is that the average session is under 2 minutes. No one is even reading all of a single article.

Clickbait dragged in from the scutter of Twitter.

dulpit · 13-05-2025 12:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123443151#Comment_123443151

Out of curiosity - what questions did they ask last week that PBP refused to answer? Like I said earlier, if it's a press conference and Gript are accredited press, then I wouldn't agree with a blanket ignoring of them. But if their questions were structured in a "not a question, more a comment" way, then maybe PBP had some justification.

AndrewJRenko · 13-05-2025 12:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123443462#Comment_123443462

They're not accredited though.

Backstreet Moyes · 13-05-2025 12:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123443462#Comment_123443462

Asked them there opinion on a statement made by the MOJ.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-05-2025 01:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123443222#Comment_123443222

So, you're not allowed to be Catholic, "old school" or Conservative. Anything else?

The Nal · 13-05-2025 01:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123443720#Comment_123443720

You're "allowed" to be any of those things.

But its not good for business.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-05-2025 01:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123443761#Comment_123443761

Oh. And would PBP (Communism before Profit as some call them) be good for business?

The Nal · 13-05-2025 01:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123443777#Comment_123443777

No.

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

eightieschewbaccy · 13-05-2025 02:16PM

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I wouldn't classify Youth Defence as traditional Catholic at all. They are extremists who picketed everything from Maternity Hospitals to airports. Hermann Kelly wrote a book that attacked survivors of the Magdalen laundries. These people are frankly **** people rather than simply conservative or Catholic.

dulpit · 13-05-2025 02:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123443777#Comment_123443777

PBP don't hide what they are though. Gript do.

johnny_ultimate · 13-05-2025 03:04PM

Gript's editors are clever enough to maintain some veneer of respectablity, but their ideology is abundantly clear to anyone paying attention or being honest about their intentions. It's extremely clear what they're playing at, and what their editorial focus is. Their ultra-religious owners very explicitly want to drag this country back to the supposed glory days of Catholic rule, especially when it comes to women's and LGBT rights. They want to pretend that immigrants, trans people etc… are a root cause of all this country's problems, especially if it distracts away from the wealth inequality, private profiteering and decades of underinvestment that have left many of our vital services in such a precarious position. They are clearly a political and activist organisation - Ben Scallan is, after all, a former candidate for the Irish Freedom Party, while John McGuirk has a long history of involvement in right-wing political causes (and his past tactics are public record) - but like to pretend they're just a normal media outlet playing by the same rules as everyone else.

None of this is to say there aren't deep-rooted problems with Ireland's overall media landscape. The government should be held to account and asked difficult questions more than many mainstream outlets manage to do (for what it's worth, I don't think Gript is at all interested in digging into or confronting many of the underlying problems in Ireland, and is more focused on 'gotcha' questioning and editorialisng aimed at scapegoating vulnerable communities). I'd also say the close relationship between journalists and politics in Ireland is troubling - too many journalists end up in cosy government positions. None of that makes criticism of Gript any less valid.

I certainly believe Gript has every right to exist, even if I personally think it's a putrid little publication focused on making this country worse. And yes, I believe PBP are perfectly within their right to not engage with Gript when the publication stands for everything they oppose - just like I don't read them as they're the polar opposite of my own political and ideological beliefs. I have no problem with media organisations with a clear political agenda existing - I engage with plenty of openly leftist media myself. But again, none of that means we need to engage with let alone respect Gript as an organisation.

VinLieger · 13-05-2025 03:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123443720#Comment_123443720

Kermit come on, with 24k posts surely you are beyond strawmen?

Snake Plisken · 13-05-2025 03:42PM

John dismissing the claim posted by Ken Foxe funnily enough never had any interactions with him but he has me blocked on X probably signed up to the PBP block list as from his tweets he seems to be a big fan of their politics.

Btw worth watching John and Sara Ryan's podcast on a Friday where they discuss the week's news events.

Personally couldn't care less about people trying to smear them. People are wising up to those tactics and it's not working.

https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/1921905699463836020?t=CFJ_Nw4ybfsSBEZsv6y-oQ&s=19

prunudo · 13-05-2025 04:34PM

Have been meaning to subscribe to Gript for the last while, the fact they are getting under the skin of Coppinger and Pbp has hastened that.

Ben Scallan has had some great proformance, as have others, at various press conferences.

I continually see people attack them for being conservative or religious, fair play to them is what I say. Keep up the good work if anyone from Gript is on boards.

Snake Plisken · 13-05-2025 05:27PM

Lol this didn't go the way poor old Ruthie wanted 😂

https://youtu.be/_oXKXnTeqVE?si=Lq7XcZc1eyqvN8bs

satguy · 13-05-2025 05:41PM

If MSM (RTE , BBC, and C4) only show us a one sided view, or lately are flat out lying to us.

Surely having another news outlet with a more balanced view is a good thing.

I read a news atricle on RTE yesterday,, saying that less Irish are holidaying in San Francisco and New York because they feel unsafe about Trans and LGBTQ issues over there.

When really they just don't to get Mugged or Stabbed in those lovely rosie places that have turned into..

eightieschewbaccy · 13-05-2025 06:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123444605#Comment_123444605

This article? That specifies gun violence as part of the reasons? The reality is travel to the US has specifically dropped this year, by your logic it shouldn't be specifically this year. It's also the case across the globe. I imagine trade wars also play a role. Instead you focused on on your pet subject.... It also isn't simply dropping tourism to liberal states. So the RTE assessment is likely correct even though you don't like it.

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2025/0512/1512333-united-states-travel-tourism-donald-trump-policies-risk-immigration/

StormForce13 · 13-05-2025 06:19PM

A quality OpEd by the irish Examiner's outstanding journalist here.

It's the kind of cracking stuff that Fintan O'Toole used to write before the woke bunny grabbed him by his sweetbreads. Unfortunately, it's behind the IE paywall, but IMHO the Irish Examiner is the one Irish paper that's actually worth subscribing to online.

Mick Clifford: Coppinger’s Gript snub should concern anyone who values media freedom

Selective engagement with the press may feel righteous, but it risks damaging the democratic ideals politicians claim to defend.

ancapailldorcha · 13-05-2025 06:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123444605#Comment_123444605

This trope gets trotted out a lot but not a shred of evidence or even a cogent argument have ever been presented.

Gript to me looks like a corporate establishment mouthpiece. It champions socially and culturally regressive ideology in order to advance wedge issues. It's the same as Trump's flood the zone strategy. All Gript really exists to do is to stop people questioning the establishment, the wealthy and the powerful by having pet hacks spout deranged culture war drivel ad nauseam. Creatures like Ben are ten a penny so it's not a particularly expensive or onerous strategy and it pays dividends.

I'm sure plenty of their backers would love to see women's rights rolled back or gay people forced back into the closet but I think that's unlikely at this point. Nobody's undoing the referenda establishing equal marriage or a woman's right to choose because this fake news blog is agitating for it.

I support its right to exist just as I support my own right to call it the grotty little fake news corporate tool that it so obviously is.

Quantum Erasure · 13-05-2025 06:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123440607#Comment_123440607

>Which would have led to some sort of saddo gotcha question and then an 8 second twitter video taken fully out of context.

To be fair to them, they often include context and explanations of questions asked previously or statements previously made in clips they put up, to give a fuller picture

Here's a selection from their media tab on Twitter, you can see the length of the videos

StormForce13 · 13-05-2025 06:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123444605#Comment_123444605

It's diifficult to argue that Gript offers us a "more balanced view" of anything. What it offers is an alternative view, one that we are free to adopt or reject, as we decide. But it's useful to have a contrarian perspective of things in a situation where there's a strong consensus of outlook/approach across most of the other Irish media outlets.

I found it refreshing to read that Coppinger's recent stunt turned out to be both a damp squib and an own goal - and I didn't read that in Gript!

satguy · 13-05-2025 06:34PM

The fact remains,, That here (RTE) and in the UK (BBC) are not giving us an unbiased view.

And now because of this, we really need to visit more that one news outlet to get a full and balanced story.

I am old in my 60's now,, and do remember when RTE and the BBC could be relied on to be Trustworthy and Dependable,, but not any more, sadly ..

dulpit · 13-05-2025 06:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123444785#Comment_123444785

It depends on whether you are viewing news for reporting of facts or opinion.

If you want opinion, then obviously nobody is without bias.

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