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Kneecap - New Footage

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭scottser


    The Israeli invasion of Gaza has generated more reports of selective bias in favour of Israel than any other conflict in modern history

    Media coverage of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia

    Notable is the issue of selective reporting by much of the state media organisations such as RTE and BBC. For example, you won't hear about this report from STC:

    IN GAZA, NEARLY EVERY SINGLE CHILD IS AT RISK OF FAMINE  - SAVE THE CHILDREN | Save the Children International



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,374 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Most particularly the state (and state-aligned) media of Israeli, alongside that of the right-wing media in the US and UK. It's not difficult to identify where the most vigorous attacks on the band originate from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,034 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,034 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    See above.

    The attacks on the band were based on the actions and statements of the band.

    The band has apologised.

    Hopefully they will concentrate on their career from now on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭scottser


    Ok, so RTE put it up around the same time I posted it on here. Their coverage is still one-sided, conservative and non-inflammatory even when there are Israeli war crimes involved.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,374 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    The band has apologised for any hurt to the families of Jo Cox and David Amess and clarified that they were not encouraging people to murder MPs. It is clear that their on stage words had no effect as no Kneecap fans have attacked Tory MPs since the performance two years ago.

    They have not apologised for any criticism of the genocide being committed by Israel.

    The attacks were due to right-wing media trawling through several years of footage to identify anything controversial that would distract from the aforementioned murderous policy and any focus on its enablers in the US and UK.

    Their career and activism are intertwined. That won't change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,034 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I expect coverage to be truthful not inflammatory.

    There are good sources of news if you do your research.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,034 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I'm aware of the chronology of events so far.

    I'm not convinced that the fact that none of their fans has committed murder to date is much consolation in this context.

    I wouldn't expect them to apologise for criticism of genocide.

    They left a smoking gun for the far right media to find, that's on them.

    I have no problem with activism as long as it remains within the law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭itsacoolday


    Did'nt the families of the last MP killed 2 years ago reject Kneecaps apology because it was so half hearted?

    There have been numerous attacks on Tory MPs since Kneecaps call for their followers to murder them, but thankfully no murders and it is not 100% sure how many attacks if any were as a result of Kneecap.

    As I said 2 days ago at 11.16pm, and I gave a link to back it up: You or Kneecap may not be aware how often some MPs are threatened. For example, one female politician "had received three death threats in one week alone, and another spent her birthday 'dealing with' a constituent who was threatening to slit her throat and those of her staff."

    Another politician spoke of "having to put a restraining order on a constituent who was threatening her safety. Needing to use restraining orders is not unusual."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,505 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Would you ever listen to yourself? I support Arsenal, but I'm not 100% sure how many losses, if any were because I wasn't available to be at the match vocally supporting the team.

    Tories get death threats because their policies have been catastrophic for poor and infirm people. Their families can only take so much.

    Honestly, I'm surprised that country is still able to (barely) function. When was the last time you were there? I'm a regular visitor and there's two things I notice every time I go over. One: The supermarkets are just grotty. There's no other word to describe the poor shelving, poor displays, poor lighting, staff that look like they want to be absolutely anywhere else. And this is from working class areas in Manchester to more upper class supermarkets in the likes of Wimbledon.

    Secondly: their roads are TERRIBLE. I'm not talking about motorways, I'm talking everyday urban roads. Covered in huge potholes, or cracks, or hastily repaired by a blob of tar. One taxi driver said he was going to leave the business because his back would be at him from all the bumps. And that's something I've noticed from Edinburgh right down to Brighton.

    I was so shocked when I first noticed them about 4 years ago, down in leigh-on-sea, which I think is a pretty much full of Tory pensioners.

    Tory's are well able to wail a sad song about the brutes that threaten them but they're the one's who've composed it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭itsacoolday


    Would you ever listen to yourself. There are poor people in every country. There are also rich people in every country. Did you know that just one BMW garage in London ( and there are many) will sell more new BMWs that all of the BMW garages in Ireland put together each year?.

    Your gripe with poloticians you do not agree with is no excuse to physically attack them. You are sinking to the level of that racist group Kneecap if you think attacks on innocent poloticians can be justified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,374 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    No breach of the law here. I'm pretty certain the British cops won't press charges, not least because the platform given to Kneecap in court would give them enormous leverage to expose the hypocrisy of the UK government and their role in an obvious genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,505 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I see you are making the usual mistake of those in the wrong that by trying to understand the behaviour of someone equals excusing them or justifying their behaviour.

    It's pathetic and we can all see it.

    There may be poor people all over the world. However, there is no need for the level of poverty in the UK. It's a rich nation, as you say, look at it's BMW sales. It could be a fairer nation, were it not for Tory policies that enrich the wealthy and their neighbourhoods and impoverish the poorer ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭itsacoolday


    That is why, like it or not, the UK voted to leave the EU. The UK was the second biggest contributer to EU funds (after Germany). Despite all the faults of the EU economy hundreds of people every week are still risking their lives trying to cross the English channel from the EU, desperate to make a start in the UK economy.

    Anyway this thread is about the Racist band Kneecap, who when in England literally told people to kill their local MP. They would not tell people in West Belfast to kill their local MP, or would they? Oh no.

    There are lots of Irish people win the UK who vote for Tories, just as there are Irish-Americans who vote for Trump. You should not be encouraging or have sympathy for Racists like Kneecap who encourage their followers to kill English politicians ( but not Irish politicians) because that makes you a racist yourself. Many of the top Tories now are people of colour, and from immigrant backgrounds, but you tar them as English. Racism can be against people of a certain geographical area or identity. The world has moved on, you and Kneecap are trying to drag us back to the days when men in balaclavas and their followers felt there was "no alternative" to murdering English people inc their innocent politicians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,505 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    You really have a problem understanding my posts and putting your own "translation" on it.

    Nowhere did I encourage or have sympathy on this thread for "racists" (they're not) like Kneecap.

    I have not tarred any members of the Tory party as English.

    And lastly, I am not trying to "drag the world" back anywhere.

    I can no longer engage with someone who is just a bad faith poster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,374 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    I'll await the links between the few attendees of a Kneecap gig two years ago and violence towards MPs. If you posit it then prove it. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,374 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Greater London has a population that is 3.5m more than the Republic of Ireland. Thus selling more BMWs per annum is expected.

    Last comprehensive poverty rate figures are for 2022 - Ireland on 5.3% and the UK on 21.0%. and the gap is worsening. The UK doesn't have the per capita wealth to sort out their issues. Ireland does. Whether there's the will………



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,374 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Still failing to note that the English are not a race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭Enter Username Here


    It's okay. A sinn fein politician said it once, so he's running with it. Sticking to it fast in fact, so much so you would imagine that sinn fein could say anything and he would run with it and repeat it forever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    you really triggered the auld shinnerbots there , though they had all been redeployed to the gaza and russia threads

    lol havent see a good old provo pile on in a while lol. , good to see them staying sharp (ish)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭itsacoolday


    According to the internet people in one country can be racist towards people in another country too.

    As noted before, many well known Sinn Fein politicians seen to think so too and talk of anti-Irish racism in the past. For example, Sinn Fein MP Michelle Gildrenew, in 2021 wrote "it is deeply concerning and quite frankly infuriating that in 2021, anti-Irish and anti-Traveller racism continues in Britain."

    You have not answered the questions. Do you think there can never ever be such a thing as anti-English Racism coming from Ireland, because we are all goody goody in Ireland. OR do you think an Irishman / band calling on their followers to kill MPs in England is ok because at least they did not call on their followers to kill MPs in Ireland? And English lives are worth less than Irish lives?

    Why did Kneecap call on their followers to murder politicians MPs in England but not MPs in N. Ireland? Do you not think Kneecap are similar to dissident Republicans in that they think it fun to be photographed on what appears to be a vandalised / damaged PSNI Land Rover, with smoke bellowing etc, and they said the PSNI were like the RUC, who they also denigrated?

    Do you not think it very hypocritical of S.F. to complain of something relatively minor, anti-Irish racial discrimination (it was not life or death) but not to complain of anti-English racial discrimination (well, Kneecap called for the murder of MPs in England, but not Irish MPs) from Kneecap (many MPs have been attacked, intimidated and some murdered)?

    From now on, if I heard someone supported Kneecap, I'd be wondering if they also had a soft spot for dissidents and for Racism towards the English? Because dressing up in a Balaclava and calling for the murder of MPs in England ( but not MPs in Ireland) could not be described as anything but Racism?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    As has been pointed out multiple time but you continue to ignore, majority would disagree with this ONE statement by ONE Sinn Fein member.

    Anti-Irish discrimination was a thing, anti-Irish racism, no. The same as there isn't anti-English racism, discrimination, certainly, doesn't make it racist as the English or Irish are not a race.

    You're just sounding like a broken record now with nothing new to add.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,863 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    They didn't protest against genocide, they showed support for Hamas and Hezbollah, two terrorist organisation.

    That isn't the main problem with their remarks, their call to kill Tory MPs is clearly an incitement to hatred.

    Kneecap are just three very thick and ignorant lads who have got more success than they deserve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,863 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2000/act/8/section/3/enacted/en/html

    The Equal Status Act provides a definition of racism as:

    "that they are of different race, colour, nationality or ethnic or national origins (the “ground of race”),"

    So yes, anti-British racism, as expressed by Kneecap and others, is a thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    "From now on, if I heard someone supported Kneecap, I'd be wondering if they also had a soft spot for dissidents and for Racism towards the English?"

    Utter nonsense!

    I'm going to see them later this summer with some English friends. They are very popular in England.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    "They didn't protest against genocide"

    Strange / embarrassing how uninformed some posters are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,863 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Shouting "Up Hamas" is not protesting against genocide, it is encouraging terrorist violence.

    As for their comments about Tory MPs, that is just gutter-level stuff.

    https://sluggerotoole.com/2025/05/13/deputy-first-minister-determined-to-press-on-in-spite-of-abuse/

    Politicians are subject to all sorts of threats on a daily basis, and groups like Kneecap are worse for encouraging it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,374 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    They've protested against genocide at their every gig for the past 18 months. How could you have missed that?

    In terms of incitement to hatred, was it intentional or performance? Sod all chance oof them being prosecuted as it'll give them a huge platform to eviscerate the UK's hypocrisy on arming a genocidal state. That's as we await the outcome of the GLAN case at the High Court of Justice this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    You're focusing in on one comment from one of the three band members as opposed to all their pro palestine and anti-genocide comments.

    Seems like you've an agenda here as well, deflecting from the main issue, ie GENOCIDE and MURDER OF THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN, to comments about Tories from 3 years ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    You said "they didn't protest against genocide"

    That's obviously wrong.

    When you say something that's wrong, you should apologise. (follow the example of Kneecap)

    As for the link about Little-Pengelly … what's that got to do with anything?

    She's not a Tory.

    She's not an MP.

    She's not even an elected MLA!!



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