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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭corkie


    Thanks @CramCycle for the clarification on the fact it was an opinion column! Was aware of that myself.

    It publish under that segment of the paper, because as far as I'm aware the author is not a staff reporter/journalist of the paper?

    • Dr TJ McIntyre is an associate professor in the UCD Sutherland School of Law, consultant solicitor with FP Logue Solicitors and chairperson of Digital Rights Ireland.

    It was written by a person, with some standing, and not submitted by some unknown hack writer.

    Edit: Also got covered in Independent today.

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    Sorry on mobile, had a read of the paper in sisters house just now. Search 'Gript' on the site.

    Post edited by corkie on

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    At no point did I say it was by a hack. I merely pointed out it was an opinion piece which was interesting and raised very valid points in regards legal protection for journalists in Ireland. It also, like any good opinion piece, raised valid points for discussion.

    I also wasn't saying you did or didn't know, I was clarifying as another poster was commenting on whether it had more weight now it was being reported in the IT.

    Colin Murphys piece makes the same point with the more nuanced view of a journalist it may directly affect.

    After reading both opinion pieces, I don't disagree with their views. Also, on a personal level, having watched two criminals escape free after getting away on a warrant technicality, I see the Gardas point of view of being vague so that nothing becomes inadmissible.

    Someone here asked, why didn't they just ask Gript, I see that point as well. A journalist in the Indo or IT (and I like neither publication), satisfied it would not put a source at risk would most likely hand over the videos as long as they were not incriminating (this is an opinion, they might not). The Gript videos, whether this view is agreed with or not, would quite possibly implicate not only the video taker and potentially staff members of the publisher as guilty parties. Being a journalist does not indemnify someone against the law. For those concerned about my accusations, I don't believe them to be. Gript is quite openly inflammatory and I would see some of their opinion pieces as borderline illegal in regards to incitement to hatred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,754 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Always funny when people who clearly lean to the right, in some case the extreme right, try to pretend that they're "centrists".



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    Mod Edit: Warning issued re: ignoring mod instructions in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭crusd


    Journalist privilege is the right of Journalists not to reveal their sources without suffering any consequences.

    Its not doctor patient privilege or lawyer client privilege. If a reasonable assessment of fact determines that communications contain evidence of a crime or conspiracy to commit crime, authorities can apply for a warrant to access that information. As long as its above board and not completed on a spurious basis its fine.

    And in fact even doctor patient and lawyer client privilege is not universal. If they have information about someone in potential danger they are obliged by law to report it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 717 ✭✭✭maik3n


    I'm sure a lot of people probably heard about the recent kerfuffle with Grift and TD Ruth Coppinger.
    Well, there has been a bit of a revelation on foot of it.

    I did often wonder how Gript actually kept getting in.
    Putting aside the fact that they are a such a God awful far right propaganda outlet, they are just a glorified online blog posting rage bait nonsense, so getting a journalist pass seemed a bit of a stretch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,979 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Fair play to Louise Byrne and Jack Horgon-Jones for calling out Coppinger's and ending the press conference in solidarity with Ben.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,399 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    If gript "journos" are members of the press Council, then answer their questions at a press conference. Simple as. If they're not, then don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,148 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The other journalists were right to defend their colleague who was singled out by these two just because of the publication he works for.

    As an aside these PBP/Socialist types really are the dourest most depressed looking people in the world with bad attitudes.

    They don't come across as people you'd want to spend much time with of a weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,843 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    They're not working journalists in the Dail though. They're brought in on visitor passes by far-right politicians like Aontu and Independent Ireland, who (entirely coincidentally) get warm and cuddly coverage from Grift.

    The Press Council code of conduct doesn't seem to be a big thing for Grift staffers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,648 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Left wing extremists see anyone they disagree with as far right. That's the only arrow in their quiver after all.

    The Irish electorate have rightly said "no thanks" to the far right, I really wish they'd start doing the same with the far left.

    People like Coppinger have form for making claims about people with absolutely no evidence whatsoever as well. Think the school uniform fiasco a few years back, she and other left wing grifters were all too happy to jump in with both feet accusing male teachers of inappropriate behaviour, and when they were proven wrong there was no retractions or apologies issued. How Coppinger hasn't ended up in court for libel is beyond me.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,843 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,631 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Grift.png

    Two cheeks of the same…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,837 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Is 6 Gardiner Place our very own 55 Tufton Street?

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I have absolutely zero time for Gript, but they are members of the Press Council.

    If they refuse to answer them now, and PBP hypothetically ended up in government, would they then just refuse to answer questions from publications putting more pressure on them if they don't like it?

    Completely understand that more often than not they ask questions that are in bad faith, but they have earned the right to ask them and it's up on everyone else to actually push back instead of refusing to acknowledge them.

    The problem with this is because it shows PBP just don't like to be properly challenged and it sets an awful precedent if they were to find themselves in power.

    On the other hand, will the bad faith actors here acknowledge that perhaps the 'MSM' isn't as bad as you lot make them out to be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,311 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I almost never agree with Ruth Coppinger but she's dead right on this issue.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,311 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Completely understand that more often than not they ask questions that are in bad faith, but they have earned the right to ask them

    They have 'earned' the right to ask questions in bad faith? How does that work exactly?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,843 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Do they actually live up to the Press Council code of practice? How come they need a visitors pass in the Dail?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,497 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    No one is obliged to answer bad faith questions.

    The have earned feck all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    What has the pro life institute done to you? Do you want to silence them too?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,788 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    The pro-life institute stands for forcing women to have the babies of their rapists, then they’ll f*ck them off and never support them again.

    They can say whatever they want but I’m allowed to say stuff about them too. A cruel, evil organisation.

    Some people like you forget that free speech works both ways, not just for the views to believe in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    It was actually a softball question just asking their thoughts on what the justice minister said about immigration.

    If one of the other media outlets asked that question they’d have no problem answering it.

    Refusing to acknowledge media organisations because you don’t like them is Trumpian. You, like me, would give out in the Trump thread when he’s kicking out the Associated Press etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I’d imagine that’s an issue for the Oireachtas. TheJournal took a few years to get recognition as well I believe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,432 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Huge amount of American influence in that place that really annoys me. I used to live up around there while the whole abortion referendum thing was taking place and it was just streams of Christian Americans going in and out.

    Really got a sense that there was a massive attempt to interfere with the process from American Christian fundamentalists.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,788 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It sticks in my craw that so many rightists shriek and wail about foreign influence but will happily support regressive nonsense like this. We had something similar in the UK when Obama heavily implied that the UK should stay in the EU in 2016 but then how much dirty American money fuels the grotty think tanks of 55 Tufton Street and the right is completely silent.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,806 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    The question put to them was what are your views on Jim O Callaghan saying we need to speed up deportations.

    Whats bad faith about that? I'm only sorry Louise didn't ask the same question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,497 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Which would have led to some sort of saddo gotcha question and then an 8 second twitter video taken fully out of context.

    They are not real journalists.

    Grift is little more than a god bothering racist blog.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,631 ✭✭✭nachouser


    I would have thought it was obvious enough. They both rely on American money coming from outside Ireland to push their agendas to influence public opinion in Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Everyone should be wary of Gript, it clearly has an agenda. Unfortunately the drift of the mainstream media to the left has opened the door for it. Dissenting voices like Ed Walsh or Kevin Myers largely evaporated over the last decade or so, while there was a rise of journalists/influencers as the money left the media.

    It’s pretty depressing and unfortunately we are continuing to see the impact of the d clime of traditional media. Increased division, half understanding of serious matters and far fewer public intellectuals that we had 20 years ago.



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