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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2025 (Munster And Leinster Championships,Liam McCarthy Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Probably shouldn't be a mod so, blatant bias is one thing but openly carrying the traits of a toxic fan which you should be moderating against is quite another.

    I don't really have any biases against Cork, in general most Cork fans I've met have been nothing but humble. In fact I watched the match with one in croke park last July and they were perfectly pleasant, disappointed with the result sure, but humble about it.

    You and a few others on here are the exact opposite of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    No problem with you saying you’re glad they’re out but….”delighted they’re out, don’t like them at all”… is a very different thing to say.

    As a moderator you are held to a higher standard than that and should be setting an example in my opinion.
    To prove my point your post was followed by quite a few anti- Clare posts… if the mod can lash them then why can’t I sort of attitude.

    Anyway that’s just my personal opinion on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,583 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Big thing for Tipp was that they showed the intensity shown against Limerick was still there and they didn't just no-show like last year. Was likely the plan vs Cork but went just a bit wrong. Hopefully start of some years back in the business end of it all, maybe get some more young lads in there. Will be a sad day when Noel McGrath finishes up, what a beauty of a player



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭another36


    Agree I always enjoy Cork fans at matches.

    Good humour and banter never experienced the vitriol towards Clare that is expressed online.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,515 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Moderators moderate posts - not counties. If a post merits a warning - then fine.

    If you'd like to show any biasness from a Moderator - including me - towards a post - please do. Saying I'm biased but not where doesn't really work in my opinion.

    I'll be delighted it Man United lose their European final, as I'm a Liverpool fan - I don't like tham at all.

    Being delighted a team lost is far from toxic, it's simply an opinion. Any poster can say they are delighted a team lost - or won - why can't they? Moderators are no different. They follow the same charter as posters. If you think a post by a poster or a Mod breaks the charter, report it - including any of mine. Plenty of other Mods and Admins capable of moderating your concerns.

    Anyway, that's just my personal opinion on it - I'll leave it at that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,395 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Calendar really does need some work, Tipp back at it next weekend against Waterford who have had a 2 week break, Tipp's 4th match in 5 weeks while Waterford have only played twice.

    People might say it's not a huge advantage but given the heat and intensity of the Munster hurling it's probably worth 4 points imo.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,776 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    But if it's Tipp's 4th match then it's Waterford's 3rd not 2nd.

    There has to be one team that finishes early in a 5 team tournament.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,430 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Where have Clare gone this year? When you have the cheek to say Cork have gone missing? Cork were very unlucky to lose the All Ireland final last year with the narrowest of defeats and won the league this year and are in a good position in Munster right now. Can't say the same about Clare now can we?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    Seeing as you brought English football clubs into it a Premiership referee went on social media recently to say he didn’t like Liverpool or their manager and he lost his Job, and as you are in effect a referee in here I’d expect you to be above comments like that.

    I suppose I always hate when immature posters come on here to dance on another teams grave after a defeat , you expect it but it’s always disappointing if a poster you have a bit of respect for gets involved in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭Shocs24


    They weren't dirty but they comfortably sat right on the edge



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,430 ✭✭✭Seadin




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,515 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    The Very same ref that had made seriously questionable decisions Against Liverpool that really did cost them games, you mean. Kindly show a correlation with posts I've moderated for a fair comparison.

    Immaturity - I suppose it can be seen in many different ways. We can agree on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    You’re obviously happy with your post, I think you let yourself down,I’m happy to leave it at that.

    Post edited by Charlie69 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭C4000


    If two teams are tied then head to head is the deciding factor in both provinces.

    If three teams are tied in Munster, scoring difference from all games is the deciding factor.

    If three teams are tied in Leinster, head to head record from the games those teams played against each other is the decider. If still level, it goes to scoring difference in the head to head games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭endainoz


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41630077.html

    Examiner have done an article about it, more avenues available than I thought, but all of which are mostly outside of Clare's control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭C4000


    Yep. If Cork and Tipp win next weekend, then Clare will go into the last game with a genuine chance.

    The other scenarios need major scoring difference swings so very unlikely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,303 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    They were dirty.

    This playing on the edge thing is basically fouling but getting away with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭randd1


    Of course we were dirty at times, and so was everyone else. There isn't one side worse than the other for anything, Kilkenny gave as good as they got and got as good as they gave. For every slap or foul or sneaky dig they gave, they got or got in return.

    That reason that Kilkenny team stood out was they had the good fortune of being stacked with a ridiculous amount of all time greats at the same time, supplemented by 2/3 generations of quality underage teams under a ruthless manager that kept the ego's in check. A perfect storm if you will.

    Angels? Certainly not. But alone in the filth? Certainly not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,776 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No one was trying to have a go at that Kilkenny team just challenge narrative posted earlier that they were a clean team unlike the current flavour of the month teams to hate like Clare and Limerick.

    When Kilkenny were winning everything they got complained about incessantly for being dirty. But now they were angels who played the game the way God intended.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭randd1


    I don't think any reasonable hurling follower could label them a clean team. Or a dirty team for that manner. The same as any team of that time, or any time really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,662 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    Kilkenny backs played to the rules as they were then. They didn't let you through on goal which today might lead to black cards but back then yellow at worst. Obviously when winning so much they played more games too which led to them being scrutinised more year in year out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,776 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If they were getting yellows back then they were the literal definition of breaking the rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭randd1


    Anyone ese underwhelmed by the hurling this year? It's been rare on classics.

    Clare/Cork was good, only because Cork had a man sent off that prompted a fightback. Limerick/Tipp and Tipp/Clare were good, some good hurling in Waterford/Clare and Limerick/Waterford but the games felt inevitable with 20 to go.

    Leinster has been an utter disaster. Between the format not working, the lower standard and the lack of quality teams, it's been shockingly poor, Dublin/Wexford aside.

    The league was ok at best, following on for a few years of average fare in the same competition.

    I think they need to challenge the possession game, it's led to the sport becoming too stop start (so much for keeping a "flow" in the game), too much shooting (often aimless) and far more predictable, formulaic play. I'd remove the hand-pass as the throw has replaced the hand-pass, as I fell an awful lot of the problem comes from the allowing of the throw ball, from the pulling/dragging needed to combat it, to the barging/charging it brings knowing you can throw the ball when swallowed up, and to the rampant breaking of the steps rule.

    I'd also be extremely strict on the hurley size, and I'd change the composition of the sliothar to allow for more internal compressions on the strike so it goes no further than 80 yards when well hit.

    Only for the closeness of the Munster Championship and the spectacle that brings, the last few seasons the sport would be a washout at senior level and harder to watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭terryrogers


    Exactly, that Kilkenny team gave as much as they got and got as much as they gave, but they were always under the spotlight due to their success. Limerick are largely enduring the same scrutiny now. Clare too, are certainly less popular in general post winning the AI.

    I do think though that things have changed over time. Not that teams are dirtier now, but more tactical with the rules for sure. You could never accuse that Kilkenny team of diving but nowadays unfortunately hitting the ground to con the ref is part and parcel of the game.

    Cynical fouling to stop goals is also more common nowadays (or if not more common it's certainly more blatant) regardless of the black card rule. It was especially evident with Tipp at the weekend, there were quite a few 'Sean Cavanagh' tackles made and they did very well to finish the game with 15 men.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,776 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Munster has yet to have Limerick vs Clare or Cork which have often provided the big spectacle games in the round Robin era. The game against Clare may be a dead rubber this year though.

    Leinster needs a strong Galway otherwise the only excitement is which team who can't challenge for Liam gets through.

    It's nothing to do with any of the rest of the stuff you mentioned and it is certainly not in danger of being a "hard watch"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    You're not alone in Cork fans having some sort of grudge against clare. Probably something to do with cork would historically expect to beat clare. I know they have the Indian sign over ye so maybe it's understandable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,430 ✭✭✭Seadin


    It's more to the fact that the Clare fans have this aura about themselves that they are the real Madrid of hurling. They win two All Irelands in 11 years and all of a sudden, they are the benchmark of hurling. They couldnt defend an All Ireland to save their bacon and use dirty tactics to win games. Lohan is the master of that and not a nice person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Lohan must have refused an autograph to someone in the 90s....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,662 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    Lohan may be a god in Clare but we can be a bit more objective outside of there. Not shaking hands after games with managers such as Cahill and obviously Davy another Clare fella funnily enough. Not sure what it is about Clare but they do produce some eccentric characters.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,319 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Lohan v gracious in defeat yesterday and actually was on pitch searching for forde to shake his hand from fitzgibbon days. Decent sort.



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