Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

There's no validation for Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

Yet that's what you are attempting to do. Here comes the "but there's two parts of Ukraine" spiel. These are Kremlin talking points.

Putin did not launch a ballistic missile at Zelensky's home town (killing people and kids near a playground) for any valid reason.

Putin's forces did not attempt to surround Kyiv and systematically liquidate people in Bucha for any valid reason.

You are free to come in and make excuses for this invasion, however your points will be refuted. It doesn't make those types of views any less vile, but perhaps it's a necessary evil to demonstrate how indoctrinated individual views can become.

Yes, it is disinformation. You made a specific claim, even referencing Boris Johnson.
The only evidence relating to it that was provided proved that claim is garbage. It is Russian vatnik propaganda, nothing more.

If there's countless statements - should be easy for you to provide it. And remember, when you asked others for sources, you demanded 'official sources'.
So your inability to provide backup for your claim is proof that the claim is disinformation.

Instead of withdrawing the claim in the face of the evidence … you repeat it:

Countless statements from the warmongers in the west.

That entire statement is a fabrication without merit or foundation.

Countless statements- nope.

Warmongers in the west - nope. The warmonger is Putin and Russia, who wage an illegal war of aggression, plunder and atrocity in Ukraine. Ukraine fights to preserve its independence, as it has every right to do so. The warmongers are those who defend and excuse Russia's war and look for them to be rewarded for their aggression and leave Ukraine unable to resist future aggression.

From the first days of the 2022 invasion putin tried to send a column of armour directly to attack Kiev and an assault was made on the airport there that if successful could have led to more of putin's terrorist forces being flown in to directly attack Kiev which is not in the east of Ukraine. Your constant lies are just getting tedious at this stage and sound very russian to me.

Winning against a mafia state that has a deranged psychopath as dictator and already has the largest land area of any country in the world but still wants more is difficult to gauge. I don't know why you are trying to put words in my mouth about three days but it has been three years now since putin launched a full scale invasion and over ten years since parts of Ukraine have been occupied by terrorists from the russian federation. I can't understand what putin wants to achieve by such a long terrorist campaign against their neighbour but it is not how they are going to win any friends in Ukraine or make Ukrainians want to be part of putin's empire. Millions of Ukrainians are not going to bow down and let putin order them to be killed.

putin is being propped up by Chinese, North Korean and Iranian authoritarian governments that are happy to see him wreck his country's future for whatever deranged war of conquest he thinks he can win but by still existing Ukraine is winning. Trump offered putin an off ramp by saying they would agree to pretty much all of his demands and he did not take the offer and agree to a ceasefire. I personally can't see western European troops going in to remove putin's terrorists, but weapons and funding for the Ukrainians will increase and so will the pressure on putin's terrorists occupying parts of their country and at some point I do think the russian federation will crack and have to admit it made a mistake to invade Ukraine and be forced to withdraw. The prosperity of the EU depends on its borders being secure so they will pay the price for Ukraine to stop putin's terrorists and his dreams of westward expansion.

The government of Ukraine was not installed and was elected fairly. There was no legitimate reason for the DPR or LPR to leave Ukraine and putin has tried to use this idea as an excuse for terrorism and aggression against Ukraine. No one in Europe is going to tolerate a continued push west by putin's terrorists and as I said already the provision of weapons and funding for Ukraine to deal with its problem with russian terrorists will continue to increase until the russian federation withdraws or implodes under the mismanagement of its dictator. Time is not on putin's side no mater how many times his fan boys like to say it is.

Can you back up any of your lies with evidence?

You do not get to decide what I get to say.

The simple solution to the war in Ukraine is for the russian federation to stop its expansionist empire building and for its terrorists to go back home.

Trump calling on Ukraine to enter Istanbul 2.0 negotiations with Russia straight away. Erdogan has confirmed this morning according to Turkish media he is ready and willing to host negotiation talks this week.

Been a while since there was such a a live one on here. @mulbot, what do you think are Putin's aims in Ukraine? What will satisfy him to end his war? And when he ended it, what happens next given Putin and Russia can't hold to any agreements? How can a dictator ever be satisfied?

You are the one who posted:

"they've literally stated many times"

Did they literally state it or not? Yes or no? If you are unable to give a straight forward answer in support of a specific claim you made, it can be reasonably concluded your unsupported claims have no credibility. This should be borne in mind when you jump onto another unsupported claim.

Because it turns out they didnt literally state it. They didnt state it the way you misrepresent it either.

Im not able to admit that Russian disformation is true. That would be dishonest. Im especially not going to admit it when Ive already posted today the evidence which discredits it. The disastrous consequence was the Russian invasion of Ukraine, atrocities like Bucha etc.

Bucha impacted on Ukraines view of negotiations. It was proof of Russias bad faith. Boris Johnson just reinforced what Ukraines leadership were already thinking.

This article summarises that there was never a tangible deal at Istanbul due to lack of agreement on major issues like security guarantees, territory.

https://www.intellinews.com/fresh-evidence-suggests-that-the-april-2022-istanbul-peace-deal-to-end-the-war-in-ukraine-was-stillborn-321468/

considering the response that the current pope gave to JD Vance -shortly before he was elected pope- I’d say that Pope Leo would have SOMETHING TO SAY about Prof Dugin’s thinking about the UKranians.

Nope. Once again you have been caught in disinformation - worse than nonsense. When your false claim is challenged with the actual facts of what actually happened, you have no credible or coherent response except vague references to unnamed 'analysts'. Oh and the facts I provided came from actual analysts too.

Utterly unconvincing. Your entire set of claims have been discredited.

Ukraine stays in the war today with what Western support it has, rather than agree to a bad faith deal that leaves it stripped of security and the means to resist future Russian domination and aggression, more atrocities like Bucha.

Because that's what will happen with a Russia led by Putin who has broken peace agreement after agreement with his neighbours and Ukraine.

Bottom line is you are defending an illegal war, a war of atrocity by Russia against Ukraine.

Why would every Ukrainian die unless Russia plans to conduct genocide? More Buchas?

Ukraine fights today, yes soldiers are dying but dying with guns in hand. Instead of dying in a camp or executed with hands tied behind their backs. All of which are atrocities Russia has carried out including at Bucha.

Strange how none of the anti Ukraine and anti Western posters criticise Putin for sending so many Russians to die isnt it bases on such flimsy justifications.

Any Russian who had any sense of self preservation and at least some cop on at the actions of their Mafia Government got out of dodge at the start of the war before shít really hit the fan. Others who got bounced into it have been shown to surrender at the first opportunity they could take when coming into contact with the Ukrainian defence as seen in all those videos of them surrendering or contacting the Ukrainian side to try and surrender as soon as possible. The rest are the idiots and fools who played the wrong game of fúck around and find out and are now on permeant sunflower duty.

It's likely we might see an end to the fighting in the next 12 months but likely the only way to put an end to Putin's BS is for the Russian economy to flat out collapse from exhaustion, there's already mounting evidence of it happening and thanks to their shenanigans in seizing foreign assets in Russia for funzies noone with any sense is going to touch the Vatnik Kleptostate for the next 30 years. Putin might try playing the same games he's played before with ceasefires but it's not going to work the same way this time for him as everyone has long seen through his BS and the longer he drags this out the greater the chance it's all going to come crashing down on him very suddenly and he goes out the window in short order.