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Property companies 'research' says everyone wants to return to office

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,357 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yep, that sounds about right for Greater Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Well obviously. But lots of people aren't travelling at peak time. Or in a car. Or leaving the house. Especially those coming into the country. That wasn't 500k more cars on the road at peak time. I was on the train and it was half empty. Wednesday it was standing only. Of course a train broke down.

    Driving to work is nightmare. Too much housing with no transport means getting out of the local area is a nightmare. Across the city. All the roads are narrowed and lights are prioritising pedestrians over cars since lockdown. Almost every evening I try using the M50 there's an accident and/or a queue. Then you meet the same gridlock trying to get back in to the local area.

    This is not new. Been fighting traffic in Dublin for decades. Goes in cycles but let's face it Dublin cant handle the number of cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,943 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    There's been a 10% increase in population within the time period of the OPs question.

    That's the answer.

    You can worry about the breakdown of what that 10% do or dont do every morning but the answer to the OPs question will still remain 'a 10% increase in population'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,962 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Plenty of people aren't price-sensitive, though, and value convenience and their time more highly than the absolute cost of driving to work and paying for parking for a day or two a week versus getting public transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I'll admit to some days driving when it's costing me 3 or 4 times the cost of public transport. But it's maybe 3-4 times a month. Most of the time it's not worth it. Hardly quicker and often slower.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,337 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I have to go into the office 2 days a week (sometimes more) in my current place and I can't stand it.

    Driving 90 mins to 2 hours each way to sit in a city centre office where I get less done than I can get done at home - most of the day is emails/calls with team members who are remote or offshore themselves, a lot of which can't be discussed in an open office anyway.

    I've had recruiters call about jobs and if there's no WFH/mostly remote option, I'm immediately not interested. I've no problem going in if I NEED to do something there or to catch up with someone in person, but the pointlessness of it otherwise grates on me every time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,608 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    The party is over I'm afraid… and it's a great way of getting rid of dead weight without redundancy payments.

    Boss: "You're back in the office Monday to Friday 9 to 5"

    Dead weight: "Well, I'm leaving"

    Boss: "ok, bye"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,988 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    I'm 9 - 6 not including lunch break. So, a 40 hour week. I'd say most office jobs are 37.5 - 40 hours. I did have a 35 hour week once. But it's rare.

    Anyway, that's fine working from home, but working in the office and you can tag 3 - 4 hours per day on that. I even work more hours at home cause I can easily work any extra bit of time or start early without worrying about FPT.

    **** public transport



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,545 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    That's why "hybrid" or "blended" working is a cod.

    Why drag someone into the office for a number of arbitrary days a week or month to do the same as they could do at home ?

    Why make someone who prefers to be in the office, or doesn't have an ideal working environment at home, work from home when they are more productive in the office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,961 ✭✭✭Deeec


    its often the dead weight workers who won't quit - they just ring in sick or their car breakdown when they are expected in the office - they rely on excuses.. It's the good people that leave because they know the can get home working employment elsewhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That doesn't make much sense.

    Most places with hybrid allow people to be in the office extra days or even every day if they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    35% of the workforce working remote or hybrid suggest otherwise.

    Good sign of a company when they are quiet firing people and trying to avoid statutory redundancy. Time to brush off the CV for those not getting fired.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,514 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I was actually thinking of asking to go full time WFH. Perhaps if I had a better job I might be more inclined to return. Happy enough to log in, do my work and finish for the day.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,357 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    It's up to the employer & employee to decide the working patterns, at the contract and job offer stage.

    If it's in your contract to work fulltime in the office, then that's what you are contracted to do. End of story.

    Many employers do feel that working in the office is more productive; we have seen this in evidence recently, with many of the tech companies moving people back to the office.

    The personal arguments for and against WFH are irrelevant; what matters is the contract you signed and agreed to.

    If people dont like their contract conditions, thats fine, get another job.

    It is not up to the employee to dictate their working conditions to the employer, especially when the contract the employee signed is in conflict with their WFH request.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Don't really understand why people are so against remote working. If it doesn't effect you but works for others what's the issue.

    Also if you need new research or a study to know about productivity. It's obvious you don't keep metrics. Because you'd already know from your own metrics and wouldn't need a study or research.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,357 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I dont think people are against it, but most people accept the stipulations of their contract, the one they signed, with agreement from their employer.

    If the employer feels it is better for their business that you are in the office and you sign a contract to work in office, then you work in the office, as agreed by all parties.

    Same scenario if you sign a remote or hybrid contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The tech companies are using it to reduce headcounts and counts, it's got nothing to do with WFH or productivity. Because there's a pattern to it. Like getting rid of older more senior staff.

    Also most tech companies are working with remote clients, contractors outsourcing, hot desking, across different offices, countries etc. so saying it doesn't work is nonsense. They've been doing it long before lockdown.

    But I agree it depends wholly on your contract and what you've negotiated. We found it was much harder recruiting if you didn't offer some remote options.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,545 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I agree, but I think this hybrid idea is a cod.

    If I'm just as productive from home and want to stay working from just let me stay work from home.

    Don't force me to come into the office for a certain amount of arbitrary days a week or a month just for the sake of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    A lot of people who spend half their time at home looking after kids or doing household chores or on social media or sunbathing in their back gardens want to continue working from home. Not hard to choose between getting a tan and working this weather.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,357 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Exactly, contract trumps everything.

    If someone is contracted remote, they can't be forced back into the office.

    If they are contracted 100% in-office, they have no contractual right to WFH.

    The reasons companies might insist on enforcing their own in office policy doesnt matter; It's the policy.

    And we signed up to that policy when we accepted the job.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,357 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    You may feel you are just as productive working at home, the company may or may not agree.

    Even if your boss does agree, they might feel that some other members of your team are not productive at home.

    The boss isn't going to open themselves to a discrimination case by saying Tod can work from home but the rest of you cannot. Except Steve. He can work at home as well...Yep, Steve and Tod. Thats it.

    Nope, the boss is going to say the following...

    Same rules apply to all: refer to your contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Theres usually a get out clause, subject to business requirements. So you kinda are stuffed if they change it.

    I see there was a first "win" for someone challenging a rto mandate. Kinda irrelevant for most people..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,737 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    This is incorrect. Many places have different remote policy's for different roles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,357 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yep, again, it all depends on the contract and if there are clauses to the remote status or not.

    I think the payout for the employee in the link was only because the company didnt respond in time to the WFH request.

    There was no penalty for the company mandating in-office work to the employee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That's why I said it was irrelevant for most people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,357 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    If they have different contracts, yes. The asumption in my example is everyone has the same contract.

    Again, the same response applies, refer to your individual contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,651 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Most employers want everyone back in the office now, because the increase in productivity in the office more than outweighs the extra overheads of office rent, heat, rates etc.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,527 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I sincerely doubt that people are more productive just by being in the office. It's so wasteful and that's before we add in time and money frittered away on pointless commutes.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Yeah that's not true even if when they measure it and vast majority don't.

    Even the tech companies have stopped using these fake narratives because they've realised they don't have to. They can just order people back due to their contracts and give no reason..



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